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Outlier
Dec 28, 2014 15:32:19 GMT -6
Post by crabrangoon on Dec 28, 2014 15:32:19 GMT -6
Any fans of Outlier among us here? I can't say that I suspect that people wanting personal fades on their garments or old-world construction methods are exactly their target audience, but they make some pretty great stuff. I personally live in a very small house and have been taking strides to minimize my total wardrobe to conserve space. This lead me towards the more normal/less flashy side of "tech-y" garments, and the only one I really like for straightforward daily wear is Outlier. while it's not ideal or practical, I'm the guy out on trails at the state parks wearing my Gustin jeans and chambrays. If I wish to go on hikes & adventures while still dress like a city-living human rather than a mannequin in REI, garments designed to maximize free range of movement and water-repellant breathable fabrics have definitely got the upper hand.
I'd been admiring their apparel for a while now and finally pulled the trigger on a few things. Got a pair of pants that are equal to a heavyweight chino (which will require me to drop the 5-8lbs gained over the past couple months), their equivalent of jeans, dubbed dungarees, as well as a handful of their socks. The pants are great, dubbed New Works from a couple years ago (currently replaced by Futureworks), and it's impressive how free you are to move in them while maintaining a slim/trim appearance. The fabric is a little bit to blame, but most of this is thanks to their gusseted crotch construction. They're a little tight in the waist for me at size 31 (my Gustin fit is 32 slim), enough that I cannot touch a shirt in, but again once I'm back to my normal weight they should fit like a comfy glove.
I ordered the Slim Dungarees in 32, though much of Reddit advises you size down one. Due to the fit of the 31 New Works, I was spooked into 32 and wish I hadn't been. I'm exchanging them for 31s, as they have a more casual/lofty (read: NOT baggy or loose) appearance and need a belt at the waist to stay in place. Besides miscalculating my size, I love these pants and will be replacing at least 2 or more of my denim/pants with these once my size comes in stock in other colors. Phasing them in hand to test the cut/construction of the garment and seeing/feeling the fabric (don't forget toying with water repellency!) has me fully converted to wanting more. I have a chunk of my closet to work on selling off, and wholly plan to reinvest the funds raised into more Outlier. Again, I know better than to think it's for everyone, especially in the raw denim crowd, but I thought it should be mentioned here.
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Outlier
Dec 28, 2014 15:45:13 GMT -6
Post by gusjin on Dec 28, 2014 15:45:13 GMT -6
Love the Marino/Co Pivot shirt For sure more of a hiking shirt (an even then, I bet you'd need to watch out for thorns and branches pulling on it) than a work shirt
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Outlier
Dec 28, 2014 15:51:13 GMT -6
Post by crabrangoon on Dec 28, 2014 15:51:13 GMT -6
Yeah, I hear that. I've had great luck in never snagging any of my shirts on hikes, but a couple times I've had jeans get snagged, but nothing a week or two of wear didn't take care of. I seem to measure between their medium & large shirt, so I've ordered a medium to try first.
I'm hoping their standalone cowl/hood restocks in the near future. My jacket has no hood and I'd love the extra warmth without the head sweat I get from a knitted cap. Can't imagine it for daily wear, but again, on hikes or winter walks it would be great.
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Outlier
Dec 28, 2014 16:36:19 GMT -6
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Post by bentin on Dec 28, 2014 16:36:19 GMT -6
Love their merino T's and the oxfords. Haven't tried their pants yet but may give a pair or two a shot.
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Outlier
Dec 28, 2014 23:08:51 GMT -6
Post by variable on Dec 28, 2014 23:08:51 GMT -6
I knew the name sounded familiar. A review of the Outlier Ladies' Daily Riding Pant from 2013 ( Ars Technica). I'm sorely tempted by the Core Pack.
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Outlier
Dec 29, 2014 10:10:27 GMT -6
Post by crabrangoon on Dec 29, 2014 10:10:27 GMT -6
I got my first Outlier Oxford today. I went with medium first, though the large sounded like it could work for me as well (I wear a medium in Gustin and it's a comfy, casual fit; small in Jcrew button downs with a similar fit). Glad I went medium on the oxford because it fits in a very proper, tailored dress shirt type of way. I don't have a job that requires tucking my shirts in, but the Outlier tail is a little longer then my Gustin tails I think, so I may wind up getting them tailored a but shorter for a casual untucked length.
For what it's worth, I had worried that the medium would fit a lot like the Jcrew small, meaning some slight shoulder binding and occasional pulling at the chest buttons (think seated with good posture, shoulders back). Not the case. It simply fits, and fits well, without feeling or looking too tight.
variable: I have their "slimmer dungarees" in mind for my lady. She's got curvy hips and muscular calves, so standard fare jeans don't do her a lot of favors without serious tailoring. She's mostly a dress & skirt girl, but I think she'd love them. Their return and exchange policy is so great that it's risk free to order & try on, so I may push her to try them soon. Many of the women's reviews / blogs I've seen about them were from women with healthy butts & hips, not standard pencil-leg-jeans types, so there's hope yet!
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Outlier
Dec 29, 2014 12:09:50 GMT -6
Post by variable on Dec 29, 2014 12:09:50 GMT -6
variable: I have their "slimmer dungarees" in mind for my lady. She's got curvy hips and muscular calves, so standard fare jeans don't do her a lot of favors without serious tailoring. She's mostly a dress & skirt girl, but I think she'd love them. Their return and exchange policy is so great that it's risk free to order & try on, so I may push her to try them soon. Many of the women's reviews / blogs I've seen about them were from women with healthy butts & hips, not standard pencil-leg-jeans types, so there's hope yet! I think the biggest plus on their ladies' wear is they actually include real-sized pockets. I mean, c'mon, women have phones too.
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Outlier
Dec 29, 2014 12:48:13 GMT -6
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Post by DigDug on Dec 29, 2014 12:48:13 GMT -6
I got a couple of there Nyco Slims made out of the same material as the m-65 Military jacket.
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Post by variable on Sept 23, 2015 14:34:41 GMT -6
IT'S ALL crabrangoon's FAULT. (just kidding) I just ordered a pair of their navy chinos and two of their new Cotton-Merino shirts. This stuff makes great travel clothing (packs small, easy care), something I'm going to need next year floating down the Rhine. That adds to the Dungarees and t-shirts I've gotten already. It's a problem.
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Post by crabrangoon on Sept 23, 2015 20:16:22 GMT -6
I've never had a single brand dominate my wardrobe the way Outlier does. I'm converted, and I love it. I have a smaller wardrobe of higher quality stuff (that wears longer / stinks less) - it rules! I have my first Wool and Prince shirt coming this week too, because nobody else has a solid black merino button down til their Fall collection.
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Outlier
Sept 23, 2015 20:17:50 GMT -6
Post by variable on Sept 23, 2015 20:17:50 GMT -6
I still prefer denim sometimes, especially when it gets dry in the winter here. I find the Outlier fabric in the dungarees gets quite static-laden.
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Outlier
Sept 23, 2015 20:21:03 GMT -6
Post by crabrangoon on Sept 23, 2015 20:21:03 GMT -6
I still prefer denim sometimes, especially when it gets dry in the winter here. I find the Outlier fabric in the dungarees gets quite static-laden. That must be a climate/weather thing. I handle laundry fresh out of the drier constantly at work every day and never have had static issues. I am in Austin and we often keep between 40-80% humidity. If you were experiencing hot and humid, I have to say that F.Cloth (Futureworks and New Way Shorts) is amazing.
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Outlier
Sept 23, 2015 20:35:29 GMT -6
Post by variable on Sept 23, 2015 20:35:29 GMT -6
I still prefer denim sometimes, especially when it gets dry in the winter here. I find the Outlier fabric in the dungarees gets quite static-laden. That must be a climate/weather thing. I handle laundry fresh out of the drier constantly at work every day and never have had static issues. I am in Austin and we often keep between 40-80% humidity. If you were experiencing hot and humid, I have to say that F.Cloth (Futureworks and New Way Shorts) is amazing. Yeah, Austin would be fine. The Northeast, however, less so in the winter. Heh.
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Outlier
Sept 23, 2015 21:16:28 GMT -6
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Post by david2403 on Sept 23, 2015 21:16:28 GMT -6
I've never had a single brand dominate my wardrobe the way Outlier does. I'm converted, and I love it. I have a smaller wardrobe of higher quality stuff (that wears longer / stinks less) - it rules! I have my first Wool and Prince shirt coming this week too, because nobody else has a solid black merino button down til their Fall collection. I'm trying to convert to higher quality items and fewer pieces. It's a tough conversion when they are so many beautiiful, high quality items out there.
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Post by crabrangoon on Sept 24, 2015 7:44:33 GMT -6
I've never had a single brand dominate my wardrobe the way Outlier does. I'm converted, and I love it. I have a smaller wardrobe of higher quality stuff (that wears longer / stinks less) - it rules! I have my first Wool and Prince shirt coming this week too, because nobody else has a solid black merino button down til their Fall collection. I'm trying to convert to higher quality items and fewer pieces. It's a tough conversion when they are so many beautiiful, high quality items out there. This is where Outlier made it easier. Their 45 day return policy is amazing (but is not to be abused). No questions asked, within 45 days you can return or exchange any product, even for a full refund - and free return shipping to boot. This is because the only way you can try something on is to order it. If the color or fit isn't right for you, return it. Simple. Wear some pants for a week or two and decide you're not that into them - return them. I did it with tees and pants that the colors didn't suit me. I had always admired people who had a defined look & style that you'd associate with them, less so Steve Jobs in the exact same uniform daily, more so Johnny Cash (all black), The Ramones (leather jacket / white tee / jeans), Kanye (loose upper/fitted lower silhouette, major color blocking), a retired inland guy who wears nothing but Hawaiian shirts all year long. And while I really love the designs and works of Yohji Yamamoto and Rick Owens, you won't see me wearing an outfit by one of them or even really buying clothes from either - I just appreciate their aesthetic but that dress style doesn't actually jive with my lifestyle. Like a robot, I am all about practicality and efficiency. I want smart clothes that are comfortable, durable, versatile and long wearing - and especially of quality materials and solid construction. All in all, I've managed to pare down my wardrobe by way of colors and overall number of garments. It's all black or grey, which may bore others, but I can combine any of the tops with any of the bottoms and it works perfectly. My Outlier wardrobe is literally 90% of my clothing now: 6 tees, 1 dress shirt, 4 pants, 4 shorts. I can't stress enough how much better techno-fabric pants are than denim/cotton, or shirts made of 100% merino or merino blends. It seems excessive until you realize you can wear things multiple times before it looks/feels/smells dirty or takes on any odors - IF it takes on any odors at all.
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Outlier
Sept 24, 2015 11:29:06 GMT -6
Post by variable on Sept 24, 2015 11:29:06 GMT -6
My stuff's coming tomorrow. 2-day shipping for no cost.
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Outlier
Sept 25, 2015 10:24:25 GMT -6
Post by crabrangoon on Sept 25, 2015 10:24:25 GMT -6
You'll love the Oco, I have the original prototype 002 of it and it's great (except for me outgrowing it's size). I'll be ordering a replacement for it in Large soon. Eager for my W&P shirt to arrive (today?) so I can properly compare the two, but from everything I've read from people who own both they still prefer Outlier due to the pivot-sleeve construction vs W&P's more traditional age-old kinda cut.
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Outlier
Sept 25, 2015 11:58:57 GMT -6
Post by variable on Sept 25, 2015 11:58:57 GMT -6
Stuff got delivered before noon. Curse you office job! Where are my summer hours?
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Post by wisdom on Sept 28, 2015 2:53:18 GMT -6
I ordered a pair of their Futureworks chinos.. nice pair of slacks and they work pretty well in the Singapore weather. If you're into the technical fabrics, try out Ministry of Supply and Arcteryx, as well.. of the three, I like the Ministry of Supply stuff best. The Aero slacks and Archive shirts breathe the best.. you can't really use the pockets on the Aero's, though, since the fabric is a bit too smooth and light and even a few coins or a money clip make the pockets look all wonky. The aviators are similar in fabric to the Outliers, but they stretch 4 ways, vs. 2 for the Futureworks. Both are less breathable than the Aero's, but you can at least use the pockets. I've only got some of Arcteryx's short sleeve button downs.. cool and comfortable, but the Archive's from MoS still breathe better.
I probably do 50/50 between denim/workwear and technical fabrics nowadays.. it's just too damn hot out here. I haven't worn my 26oz beasts in over 6 months.. sucks.
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Post by crabrangoon on Sept 28, 2015 8:30:53 GMT -6
From everything I've heard (read?), all 4-way stretch is just not ideal for hot summers - and definitely not for humidity. I haven't seen anything prefer other full length pants over Futureworks when it comes to a truly hot & humid climate (not limited to only Outlier products). I thought 4-way stretch pants were neat, but many (possibly all?) that are fully synthetic tend to "look" odd with items in front pockets and most importantly do NOT breath and provide comfort in said hot & humid environment which rules them out for me. Outlier offers 4-way stretch in their 60/30 chino; a hybrid cotton/synthetic material which breathes better than fully synthetic materials; but it is still going to feel heavier and more stuffy than the F.Cloth so I don't keep any in my wardrobe.
The true core items of their company are 1) ultrafine merino tees; 2) Slim Dungarees; 3) pivot-sleeve shirt design. The tees are basically the best merino tee you can buy, as all the other (cheaper) alternatives are noticeably lighter in weight, less soft/fine in hand and largely develop pilling and holes quicker/worse than the Ultrafine. The SDs are just a more durable and most importantly a more casual (without looking like "streetwear", or even "urban techwear") pant that provides minimal stretch and a gusseted crotch for unhindered movement. I've worn them for plenty of physical activities and they are completely the Texas heat. Finally, the pivot sleeve shirt design is great, whether tucked or not you just get a very different fit and range of motion than is normal for a buttondown shirt - just be sure to size by your actual neck measurement.
I think the thing most people tend to overlook if they've never had merino before is just how truly long wearing and year-round it is. I wear the tees most days of the week, and have even worn them to the gym. I wash any given tee after perhaps 3-5 wears, and I am no stranger to sweat with our 95-105 daily average temperature (still in the 90s through Halloweenish). The stuff is great, it dries quicker and easier than cotton, is more temperature regulating than anything else (warms you when it's cold, but not when it's hot), isn't itchy like standard wool and has great anti-odor and moderate water protection properties. The garment where this is most apparent is actually the socks. Whether hot or cold weather, sneakers or boots or dress shoes, these are the greatest. They don't stretch out and become misshapen from wear, they don't hold odor so you can actually get multiple wears between washes without feeling gross about it, and they don't make my feet sweat - which I am reminded of any time I put on some Nike socks for a trip to the gym (where I now just wear these instead). Quality merino socks aren't cheap, just look at Darn Tough & Farm To Feet for alternatives, but these are the least sporty / branded option and for me the better of them as well.
(end rant)
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Outlier
Sept 28, 2015 8:32:31 GMT -6
Post by crabrangoon on Sept 28, 2015 8:32:31 GMT -6
Oh and speaking of Arc'teryx, try their Veilance line out if you ever get a chance. Unbranded & far sleeker looking than the main line, costly at full MSRP but always available at end of season sales or second hand. Their jackets and coats are amazing, but the streamlined style may not fit everyone's wardrobe.
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Outlier
Sept 28, 2015 9:29:12 GMT -6
Post by variable on Sept 28, 2015 9:29:12 GMT -6
I'm actually a fan of the 60/30 chino, now having worn it around for two days. They are a little limited in the old selection department, though. Heh.
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Outlier
Sept 28, 2015 11:06:35 GMT -6
Post by exophobe on Sept 28, 2015 11:06:35 GMT -6
From everything I've heard (read?), all 4-way stretch is just not ideal for hot summers - and definitely not for humidity. I haven't seen anything prefer other full length pants over Futureworks when it comes to a truly hot & humid climate (not limited to only Outlier products). I thought 4-way stretch pants were neat, but many (possibly all?) that are fully synthetic tend to "look" odd with items in front pockets and most importantly do NOT breath and provide comfort in said hot & humid environment which rules them out for me. Outlier offers 4-way stretch in their 60/30 chino; a hybrid cotton/synthetic material which breathes better than fully synthetic materials; but it is still going to feel heavier and more stuffy than the F.Cloth so I don't keep any in my wardrobe. The true core items of their company are 1) ultrafine merino tees; 2) Slim Dungarees; 3) pivot-sleeve shirt design. The tees are basically the best merino tee you can buy, as all the other (cheaper) alternatives are noticeably lighter in weight, less soft/fine in hand and largely develop pilling and holes quicker/worse than the Ultrafine. The SDs are just a more durable and most importantly a more casual (without looking like "streetwear", or even "urban techwear") pant that provides minimal stretch and a gusseted crotch for unhindered movement. I've worn them for plenty of physical activities and they are completely the Texas heat. Finally, the pivot sleeve shirt design is great, whether tucked or not you just get a very different fit and range of motion than is normal for a buttondown shirt - just be sure to size by your actual neck measurement. I think the thing most people tend to overlook if they've never had merino before is just how truly long wearing and year-round it is. I wear the tees most days of the week, and have even worn them to the gym. I wash any given tee after perhaps 3-5 wears, and I am no stranger to sweat with our 95-105 daily average temperature (still in the 90s through Halloweenish). The stuff is great, it dries quicker and easier than cotton, is more temperature regulating than anything else (warms you when it's cold, but not when it's hot), isn't itchy like standard wool and has great anti-odor and moderate water protection properties. The garment where this is most apparent is actually the socks. Whether hot or cold weather, sneakers or boots or dress shoes, these are the greatest. They don't stretch out and become misshapen from wear, they don't hold odor so you can actually get multiple wears between washes without feeling gross about it, and they don't make my feet sweat - which I am reminded of any time I put on some Nike socks for a trip to the gym (where I now just wear these instead). Quality merino socks aren't cheap, just look at Darn Tough & Farm To Feet for alternatives, but these are the least sporty / branded option and for me the better of them as well. (end rant) I've been coveting outlier for a long time but for some reason I bought all this damn denim.
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Post by julian on Sept 28, 2015 11:20:12 GMT -6
I picked up one of their shirts, a collaboration with Mishka, in 'Grape' colour. Was in sale, reduced from about £80 to £40. It works really well with Indigo, Black and Grey denim. Fit is perfect and the construction/pattern matching is fautless.
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Outlier
Sept 29, 2015 8:58:38 GMT -6
Post by crabrangoon on Sept 29, 2015 8:58:38 GMT -6
variable: how're you liking the Oco fabric and the pivotsleeve design?
julian: you know, short of that Mishka NYC collab, they only brought out more patterned shirts this season.
For anyone considering their shirting, go true to size based on the neck/chest measurement in the size chart. My measurements have never been proportionate (16" neck, 18" shoulders, previously 38" chest - now 40") but I've mostly fixed that with some training & activity to fill out. The only issue for me now is that all my old shirting no longer fits since I had sized down and forewent fastening the neck button T_T
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