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Post by matt on Nov 11, 2014 11:42:26 GMT -6
New Arrival/Release of Japanese Indigo Silk. It looks promising! 13 oz variation from "one of the finest mills in Japan" (is it Kuroki? Niphon Menpu?) - I'd be curious to know more about the "silk" variations/offerings. While we all fashion ourselves as experts, I'd welcome the insight of someone in the industry providing a little more insight into these offerings. I just have a little doubt that the mark-up on these is exponential. Nevertheless, a good looking denim. I'm also glad they opted to remove the "This is the same style and quality that was sold in boutiques all over the country for $205+."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 11:45:27 GMT -6
New Arrival/Release of Japanese Indigo Silk. It looks promising! 13 oz variation from "one of the finest mills in Japan" (is it Kuroki? Niphon Menpu?) - I'd be curious to know more about the "silk" variations/offerings. While we all fashion ourselves as experts, I'd welcome the insight of someone in the industry providing a little more insight into these offerings. I just have a little doubt that the mark-up on these is exponential. Nevertheless, a good looking denim. I'm also glad they opted to remove the "This is the same style and quality that was sold in boutiques all over the country for $205+." Probably because, as Cody stated, the silks are sold in boutiques for $600+. Don't want to short change themselves. |
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Post by ickes on Nov 11, 2014 12:13:07 GMT -6
It's really starting to bother me that GUSTIN does not disclose the mill the fabrics are sourced from. I know they have adressed the issue before and given an explanation but I'm not sure I completely buy it. Every other ccompany I can think of tells you what mill the fabric is sourced from.
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Post by matt on Nov 11, 2014 12:17:56 GMT -6
New Arrival/Release of Japanese Indigo Silk. It looks promising! 13 oz variation from "one of the finest mills in Japan" (is it Kuroki? Niphon Menpu?) - I'd be curious to know more about the "silk" variations/offerings. While we all fashion ourselves as experts, I'd welcome the insight of someone in the industry providing a little more insight into these offerings. I just have a little doubt that the mark-up on these is exponential. Nevertheless, a good looking denim. I'm also glad they opted to remove the "This is the same style and quality that was sold in boutiques all over the country for $205+." Probably because, as Cody stated, the silks are sold in boutiques for $600+. Don't want to short change themselves. Where exactly did you see that? I didn't see $600+ mentioned in the product description nor in the email announcing the release. Did he mention this in the community (checked there, didn't see it)? I'm not debating it, I just find that estimate to be a little...inflated. I'm on the fence with backing them, perhaps I'll hold off and opt for their second run. |
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Post by Griffin on Nov 11, 2014 13:19:19 GMT -6
I believe this is about the Italian special denims like the grey silk. But the pricetag is not for the fabric but for the complete construction and Italy have some pretty good construction on alot of things. Not the same as the sub-par factory workers that have the shift for some of the clothes I have gotten. (some are freaking excellent like the first IxIs and the Okayamas and they are personally rated amongst the highest of all my denims ...flawless and with an aura of amazeballzness, while others are wierdly bad)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 13:59:45 GMT -6
It's really starting to bother me that GUSTIN does not disclose the mill the fabrics are sourced from. I know they have adressed the issue before and given an explanation but I'm not sure I completely buy it. Every other ccompany I can think of tells you what mill the fabric is sourced from. I read somewhere that Gustin doesn't want other brands to know where the fabrics come from. It gives Gustin competitive advantages. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 14:03:50 GMT -6
I believe this is about the Italian special denims like the grey silk. But the pricetag is not for the fabric but for the complete construction and Italy have some pretty good construction on alot of things. Not the same as the sub-par factory workers that have the shift for some of the clothes I have gotten. (some are freaking excellent like the first IxIs and the Okayamas and they are personally rated amongst the highest of all my denims ...flawless and with an aura of amazeballzness, while others are wierdly bad) I seriously think there is some problem with the dyeing process of the Grey Silk. I washed mine in the washer "inside out" and hang dry lately. They are still getting so many new "wash fade" after every washes. It seriously looks horrible. Anyway, not a biggie since I never like the Grey Silk very much and my wife dislikes it more than I do. |
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Post by Griffin on Nov 11, 2014 14:17:28 GMT -6
Ok so then Ill just have to never wash them. Noted and thanks  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 14:34:08 GMT -6
I think wash is fine but definitely don't wash it in washer.
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Post by jamesr on Nov 11, 2014 14:40:02 GMT -6
It's really starting to bother me that GUSTIN does not disclose the mill the fabrics are sourced from. I know they have adressed the issue before and given an explanation but I'm not sure I completely buy it. Every other ccompany I can think of tells you what mill the fabric is sourced from. I read somewhere that Gustin doesn't want other brands to know where the fabrics come from. It gives Gustin competitive advantages. I have read that but wonder how it is really a competitive advantage? I imagine it is pretty easy for any serious player in the denim industry to quickly uncover the supplier of any denim Gustin is offering. |
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Post by Griffin on Nov 11, 2014 14:55:09 GMT -6
Sounds like its just harder for us to find it at other places. I wouldn't worry if I were Gusting because they have sucha their own thing in finding and selecting fabrics not just for jeans, but also chinos and shirts. This is what drew me to G in the first place and this is why I check their page everyday still, even tho I dont back much lately, but that also has to do with me getting a full wardrobe and also other things cost money.
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Post by matt on Nov 11, 2014 15:05:11 GMT -6
I read somewhere that Gustin doesn't want other brands to know where the fabrics come from. It gives Gustin competitive advantages. I have read that but wonder how it is really a competitive advantage? I imagine it is pretty easy for any serious player in the denim industry to quickly uncover the supplier of any denim Gustin is offering. Couldn't it also be a competitive disadvantage if they were buying a lesser grade material and branding it as exclusive or unique? (playing devil's advocate for this discussion - great points by all) |
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Post by exophobe on Nov 11, 2014 15:08:46 GMT -6
Sounds like its just harder for us to find it at other places. I wouldn't worry if I were Gusting because they have sucha their own thing in finding and selecting fabrics not just for jeans, but also chinos and shirts. This is what drew me to G in the first place and this is why I check their page everyday still, even tho I dont back much lately, but that also has to do with me getting a full wardrobe and also other things cost money. I'm debating the japan military green, just love the look of that fabric. With the selvedge overdye drab at Lawless, and the incoming Japan Olive from Gustin, though, it might be a little bit much in the way of green pants to get the JMG Ginos, methinks. |
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Post by exophobe on Nov 11, 2014 15:11:31 GMT -6
New Arrival/Release of Japanese Indigo Silk. It looks promising! 13 oz variation from "one of the finest mills in Japan" (is it Kuroki? Niphon Menpu?) - I'd be curious to know more about the "silk" variations/offerings. While we all fashion ourselves as experts, I'd welcome the insight of someone in the industry providing a little more insight into these offerings. I just have a little doubt that the mark-up on these is exponential. Nevertheless, a good looking denim. I'm also glad they opted to remove the "This is the same style and quality that was sold in boutiques all over the country for $205+." I saw it and thought "that looks exactly like the Japan Shine". heh. Hopefully I've got my picture situation sorted by the time those get here in a couple days so I can show of this monstrosity of Japanese ingenuity. |
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Post by wisdom on Nov 11, 2014 15:14:07 GMT -6
Probably because, as Cody stated, the silks are sold in boutiques for $600+. Don't want to short change themselves. Where exactly did you see that? I didn't see $600+ mentioned in the product description nor in the email announcing the release. Did he mention this in the community (checked there, didn't see it)? I'm not debating it, I just find that estimate to be a little...inflated. I'm on the fence with backing them, perhaps I'll hold off and opt for their second run. Cody (or more accurately, Gustin) said this about their competitive pricing in the Q&A. They stated the Grey Silk would cost $650 elsewhere.. this is somewhat true, but about as representative of the truth as their funding percentages represent customer demand. N&F did the grey silk in 2012 and those can be had for about the same price as the Gustin version and I'm sure they know this. For the latest silk drop, I don't see how the use of silk accentuates the fabric in a way that either justifies it over an alternative or justifies the increased price. It's akin (in my opinion) to spending extra for something that nobody will really notice, just so you can say you did. |
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Post by exophobe on Nov 11, 2014 15:17:25 GMT -6
Couldn't it also be a competitive disadvantage if they were buying a lesser grade material and branding it as exclusive or unique? (playing devil's advocate for this discussion - great points by all) I think DirtyD and Roman can probably speak better to this after this week. I'm guessing Pacific Blue and other distributors open up for the less common stuff, and buyers will buy up all the unique stuff (which, essentially, seems to amount to whatever is closest to what PBJ is doing) and then everything else goes on the site at wholesale. Gustin seems to work with some mills directly, given the lead-times on fabric delivery. I don't know if this is brokered in some way, but it doesn't seem like the fabric is custom made for them given the little bits they let us in on (we've been looking, our suppliers haven't shown us anything we like yet, those sorts of quotes from Big Gustin), so there has to be some sort of arrangement with somebody to get those special fabrics. It's probably a combination of a lot of these things, because if you know what you're looking at, you can find a lot of the fabrics at pacific blue, but a lot of stuff there is also seconds, which indicates that they don't put everything online, or only stuff that they're not moving. |
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Post by exophobe on Nov 11, 2014 15:18:46 GMT -6
Also, I didn't address the "lesser quality" thing. I have every confidence that Gustin is buying factory firsts, as I've never seen any problem with their fabric, and it's universally praised, even by those that hate the fits.
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Post by wisdom on Nov 11, 2014 15:19:22 GMT -6
Sounds like its just harder for us to find it at other places. I wouldn't worry if I were Gusting because they have sucha their own thing in finding and selecting fabrics not just for jeans, but also chinos and shirts. This is what drew me to G in the first place and this is why I check their page everyday still, even tho I dont back much lately, but that also has to do with me getting a full wardrobe and also other things cost money. I'm debating the japan military green, just love the look of that fabric. With the selvedge overdye drab at Lawless, and the incoming Japan Olive from Gustin, though, it might be a little bit much in the way of green pants to get the JMG Ginos, methinks. I don't think they are overdyed.. I think it was woven with thread of that color. I'd probably hesitate for a bit if I had G's in a similar shade coming, but with today's discount it's tough to pass up.. |
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Post by exophobe on Nov 11, 2014 15:21:31 GMT -6
I don't think they are overdyed.. I think it was woven with thread of that color. I'd probably hesitate for a bit if I had G's in a similar shade coming, but with today's discount it's tough to pass up. "post dyed" implies to me that they dyed the fabric after looming, but I'm just assuming, so I could easily be wrong. The important thing to me is that I like the color and it's canvas like I was begging for, so I'm in for a pair, regardless of how they were dyed.  |
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Post by exophobe on Nov 11, 2014 15:26:10 GMT -6
I don't think they are overdyed.. I think it was woven with thread of that color. I'd probably hesitate for a bit if I had G's in a similar shade coming, but with today's discount it's tough to pass up.. Also, I would send an email to their support team about the coupon. I clarified through online chat that it was open to everybody (thanks @laura), so it's possible they'll work something out with you. |
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Post by wisdom on Nov 11, 2014 15:26:24 GMT -6
"post dyed" implies to me that they dyed the fabric after looming, but I'm just assuming, so I could easily be wrong. The important thing to me is that I like the color and it's canvas like I was begging for, so I'm in for a pair, regardless of how they were dyed. Yes.. I think you're right! They'll make sweet chinos, regardless =) |
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Post by wisdom on Nov 11, 2014 15:28:11 GMT -6
I don't think they are overdyed.. I think it was woven with thread of that color. I'd probably hesitate for a bit if I had G's in a similar shade coming, but with today's discount it's tough to pass up.. Also, I would send an email to their support team about the coupon. I clarified through online chat that it was open to everybody (thanks @laura), so it's possible they'll work something out with you. Yeah.. my original post sounded too much like sour grapes, so I edited it out. I'm not bitter about it.. I'll eMail Lawless, but am cool with whatever they decide.. as flexible and accommodating as they've been with me I don't mind one bit. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 15:30:58 GMT -6
I'm debating the japan military green, just love the look of that fabric. With the selvedge overdye drab at Lawless, and the incoming Japan Olive from Gustin, though, it might be a little bit much in the way of green pants to get the JMG Ginos, methinks. I don't think they are overdyed.. I think it was woven with thread of that color. I'd probably hesitate for a bit if I had G's in a similar shade coming, but with today's discount it's tough to pass up.. What discount? |
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Post by wisdom on Nov 11, 2014 15:33:47 GMT -6
I don't think they are overdyed.. I think it was woven with thread of that color. I'd probably hesitate for a bit if I had G's in a similar shade coming, but with today's discount it's tough to pass up.. What discount? Only applies to the new Military Green Chinos: "VET2014" for 50% off.. |
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Post by jockohomo on Nov 11, 2014 15:33:54 GMT -6
It's really starting to bother me that GUSTIN does not disclose the mill the fabrics are sourced from. I know they have adressed the issue before and given an explanation but I'm not sure I completely buy it. Every other ccompany I can think of tells you what mill the fabric is sourced from. What would you rather have, multiple close-up views of the fabric along with sewn up garment photos from multiple angles or disclosure of the Japanese mill where the fabric is supposedly produced?
In full disclosure I have not been unhappy with any of the jean fabrics I have bought from Gustin and don't know how knowing where they were milled would make me any happier.
Now if Porsche was really basing the Macan on an Audi Q3 I would be pissed, but everyone (at least anyone that cares to do a little research) knows it is based on the Audi Q5.
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