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Post by exophobe on Jan 7, 2015 23:04:35 GMT -6
Ever since the Kendal Hyde campaign funded I've felt I made a huge mistake. Any fellow backers have words of encouragement?
I'm thinking the brown cap-toe cause the light brown looks crazy inconsistent with the burnishing - likely because they're prototypes, but I think the cap toe in light brown with a dark burnished toe will look way too clown-shoes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 23:35:45 GMT -6
Ever since the Kendal Hyde campaign funded I've felt I made a huge mistake. Any fellow backers have words of encouragement? I'm thinking the brown cap-toe cause the light brown looks crazy inconsistent with the burnishing - likely because they're prototypes, but I think the cap toe in light brown with a dark burnished toe will look way too clown-shoes. where you find the photos of the light brown cap toe?
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Post by exophobe on Jan 7, 2015 23:45:50 GMT -6
where you find the photos of the light brown cap toe? There aren't any, I'm just imagining it. If it wasn't burnished toe I'd choose the light brown in a heartbeat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 8:33:05 GMT -6
Based on the profile of the boots, I think you make a great choice of the brown cap toe. I agree with you about the light brown and I will not go for that. If you compare the toe box of the KH with the RedWing Beckman or Wolverine Addison, the KH's is so much more narrow and flat and the front is nowhere close to be a crown shoes. I was thinking to back the brown cap toe until I bought another pair of boots. Wolverine Addison RedWing Beckman
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Post by exophobe on Jan 9, 2015 23:47:02 GMT -6
For those of you concerned with my decisions (i.e. no one) I decided on the dark brown cap-toe in the Kendal Hydes (middle bottom on the below image). I like the light brown, but figured I'm likely to end up with either oak streets trenches or iron rangers at some point, and in oak street I'd likely get the natural horween, iron rangers copper, so having a nice pair of brown boots ain't gonna hurt none, and will look less like clown shoes than that burnished toe. They put up this comparison image earlier, though I'm pretty sure it's largely digital manipulation, I think it shows I made the right choice (profile of the brogue looks great, though).
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Post by modslife on Apr 11, 2015 2:05:23 GMT -6
Tawny Goods: Generational Bootmakers I haven't seen Tawny Goods mentioned yet on this board but I backed a pair of boots during their Kickstarter project back in January. Their story is that they work with generational leather and shoe-making craftsman from Leon, Mexico to produce handmade shoes and boots. I received my black toe cap boots today and could not be any happier. They are immediately comfortable and feel like the kind of boots that will really form to your feet quickly. I expect them to become go-to favorites. I like beat up boots and look forward to beating them up a bit. They are cap toes but look and feel much dressier in person than I expected, which is great for me. They feel dressier than Wolverine, Frye or Red Wing boots of similar style that I tried on before I backed these. They are dressy to the point where both my fiance and I like them enough to save them to be my dress shoes for our wedding next month. Tawny is currently offering a 25% off pre-order special on their website which puts their boots at $180. Not exactly cheap and is getting into the range of more established brands (especially when on sale). For me though, having items of clothing that are a little unique is worth the risk. Speaking of quality... I still need to wear and break them in a bit to really be able to evaluate quality but based on looks and walking around the house I am happy. Since I will not be wearing them until June here are some pics for now!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 7:30:54 GMT -6
Tawny Goods: Generational Bootmakers I haven't seen Tawny Goods mentioned yet on this board but I backed a pair of boots during their Kickstarter project back in January. Their story is that they work with generational leather and shoe-making craftsman from Leon, Mexico to produce handmade shoes and boots. I received my black toe cap boots today and could not be any happier. They are immediately comfortable and feel like the kind of boots that will really form to your feet quickly. I expect them to become go-to favorites. I like beat up boots and look forward to beating them up a bit. They are cap toes but look and feel much dressier in person than I expected, which is great for me. They feel dressier than Wolverine, Frye or Red Wing boots of similar style that I tried on before I backed these. They are dressy to the point where both my fiance and I like them enough to save them to be my dress shoes for our wedding next month. Tawny is currently offering a 25% off pre-order special on their website which puts their boots at $180. Not exactly cheap and is getting into the range of more established brands (especially when on sale). For me though, having items of clothing that are a little unique is worth the risk. Speaking of quality... I still need to wear and break them in a bit to really be able to evaluate quality but based on looks and walking around the house I am happy. Since I will not be wearing them until June here are some pics for now! I need another pair of non-shell boots like I need another hole in my head, but damn if I'm not tempted. Do these run TTS?
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Post by modslife on Apr 11, 2015 9:21:47 GMT -6
Yes. But they don't do half sizes. I am usually an 8.5 (except for some of the brands that we know run small) and went with an 8 for these. The fit is definitely snug but I know they will stretch and give a little. I do like my leather boots to start off snug.
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Post by exophobe on Aug 7, 2015 18:16:12 GMT -6
So I have a couple updates on the Kendal & Hyde boots, unfortunately not very good. As I had said in another thread, the only one of four factories that could apparently get the sole done correctly was in China, so they ended up being Chinese made. This doesn't really seem to have upset any backers other than myself, so I'm going to leave that there, and I can't get upset because the campaign really doesn't specify that they were to be made in the USA. There is, however, a much larger issue, in that they are apparently not Goodyear Welted, but rather Blake Stitched. Kendal/Hyde has confirmed that all the samples they received were Goodyear Welted, but then they also seem to confirm (in that linked reddit post) that the final production run, unbeknownst to them, was not GYW'd. At this point, I guess you guys win, I'm done with Kickstarter boots, since there seem to be so many unscrupulous manufacturers. I'll put up some pictures of the otherwise very nice boots if anyone is interested, but I know where my boot-money is going from now on.
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Post by marauder on Aug 7, 2015 22:14:29 GMT -6
I was unaware of the disaster Kendal & Hyde is turning out to be. I can't seem to find any information about them being made in China. I'd be pretty upset if that's the case.
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Post by exophobe on Aug 7, 2015 22:40:54 GMT -6
I was unaware of the disaster Kendal & Hyde is turning out to be. I can't seem to find any information about them being made in China. I'd be pretty upset if that's the case. Yeah it's on the kickstarter campaign. Don't get me wrong, they really are well made and look great, but they've been major production issue after major production issue for these guys. One of the owners is being pretty forthcoming about the very slim likelihood of ever doing another run of them, and another is less forthcoming but putting off the same-ish vibe. I'm going to be keeping an eye on KS and that reddit chain to see how they're going to deal with this. Discounts on their great bags would be enough incentive to turn me around on them right now, but at this point it's just looking like super-expensive Chinese boots -- I know $300 doesn't get you into high-end boots, but once you're priced at the same level as Red Wing, the stakes are pretty high, especially when I can go to DSW and get Chinese boots for ~$100. Like I said, these are solid, but if the manufacturer was willing to lie about the construction method to the point of sending goodyear welted samples and then Blake-Stitching the production run, who the hell knows what other surprises are inside these boots? I'm just trying to decide if they should be something I keep looking nice or something I beat the crap out of. I'll probably just keep them nice until I can replace them with something like an Oak Street Trench, Whites, or maybe even a pair of Gustin if they look solid. After seeing at least two kickstarter companies get burned in production, though, Big G will need to either provide a lot more details (including the name of a reputable manufacturer) or come in at a really nice price-point to where those details wouldn't hurt. Since this would lock them into Thursday Boot pricing of around $200, which Gustin is not going to do, I'm thinking that I'm more likely to splurge on Alden plain-toes before I crowd-fund another boot. Hell, I got my Woolrich USA made boots for something like $150 (though that was a deep discount sale), and those are freaking tanks. The wool lining isn't a terribly great idea in the summer, but they're breaking in pretty nicely.
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Post by exophobe on Aug 14, 2015 20:25:17 GMT -6
So I have a couple updates on the Kendal & Hyde boots, unfortunately not very good. As I had said in another thread, the only one of four factories that could apparently get the sole done correctly was in China, so they ended up being Chinese made. This doesn't really seem to have upset any backers other than myself, so I'm going to leave that there, and I can't get upset because the campaign really doesn't specify that they were to be made in the USA. There is, however, a much larger issue, in that they are apparently not Goodyear Welted, but rather Blake Stitched. Kendal/Hyde has confirmed that all the samples they received were Goodyear Welted, but then they also seem to confirm (in that linked reddit post) that the final production run, unbeknownst to them, was not GYW'd. At this point, I guess you guys win, I'm done with Kickstarter boots, since there seem to be so many unscrupulous manufacturers. I'll put up some pictures of the otherwise very nice boots if anyone is interested, but I know where my boot-money is going from now on. Kendal and Hyde boots update. They posted a rather long update on the kickstarter page, it's for backers only, otherwise I'd link or post it. Either way, their plan to make it right is pretty cool, and essentially came down to a few points: - They were duped for no apparent reason by a Chinese man that has since disappeared, and take responsibility for hiring the failure point.
- They've lined things up with a new manufacturing partner, and it's not clear whether this partner is near them in Austin, or near them in Mexico, though I'm guessing the latter since there isn't any specific mention of made in USA. These will, in fact, be Goodyear Welted, and won't be three degrees of separation away from the company.
- They will be working with Kickstarter backers on a replacement program, but in the meantime have instructed backers to wear the heck out of them, and reach out later when they have the new production sorted out. I'll report back when that time comes around. I'll also report back if it turns out these are coming from a USA manufacturer.
So... I guess the answer I'm looking for is contained there. I now have permission to beat my Chinese boots into submission. Which is probably a good thing because my Chinese Timberlands seem like they're starting to give up a bit. Further, I'm glad they took the time to try to figure out what happened (difficult since their Chinese contacts can't find the factory liaison that changed the spec without notice), and their response to it proves that they're some stand-up guys, because the solution they've agreed to is very generous considering they could have just gone dark like a lot of companies do when things are rough. I haven't seen anything pop up on the reddit post yet, so I'll probably request that Kendal and Hyde respond to their detractors there. I had expressed disappointment last time I talked about it, and wanted to update you guys to let you know that K&H appears to be a class act. Buy a bag from them or something.
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