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Post by stinky on Nov 20, 2014 13:20:26 GMT -6
those have to be the 18.5 kuroki indigo, no?
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Post by crogers0031 on Nov 20, 2014 13:37:35 GMT -6
Wow. I hope so. Got an 18.5 oz Kuroki idigo pair comin my way along with a utility jacket in the same material. Looks great!
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Post by davelewis on Nov 20, 2014 13:38:09 GMT -6
Scott, actually I'm wearing my Super Heavy's right now while my Beasts are drying, and those look like the exact same denim. Did you get confirmation that its the same denim?
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Post by Old26 on Nov 20, 2014 14:06:12 GMT -6
BB@D: Bro, I don't notice any shrinkage - of course, I forgot to measure them, but I'd say extremely little. Same with waist. Cold soaked and hung dry. BTW, I love the triple seam on the inside legs... With shoes on, after soak. weft really showing through on those. did you get a confirmation of which denim was used? look like some darn tough socks there... Yes, my crazier Darn Tough socks  The weft looks just like my Gustin 18oz'ers. They just don't feel as heavy, so I'm not sure yet. Waiting on DD to get back to me, but he's on a flight I think... |
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Post by Old26 on Nov 20, 2014 14:07:05 GMT -6
Dunno yet. Sure look like the Gustin 18, but feel lighter...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 14:17:08 GMT -6
Dunno yet. Sure look like the Gustin 18, but feel lighter... Wonder if any of the extra washes on your G's tightened the weave enough to give a perceived increase in weight |
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Post by Griffin on Nov 20, 2014 14:40:40 GMT -6
Ok so here goes. Sorry for the flood coming. I have basically given a post with fit pics and my general feelings about the denim and the heart thats laid into the jeans imho. This post will adress the things I feel are not perfect, why i think so, and also a little perspective. We start with 1. the crotch stitching. Last time I showed the inside wich doesnt actually tell you anything. Here is the outside:  Its not bad, but the double seem coming from below and on top are different width, wich makes it look even worse aligned. I said its the same on the inside of the yoke, and here it is:  This is not a flaw. It is because there is many folded seams involved and it has to be made like this to get this:  ^ This is the outiside of that inside pic. Pefect alignement. This shows that its abit of a feeling involved and that it might not be possible to be 100% acurate since its offset to get perfect. So my only caveat with the crotch is the question: -why is the double seams different width? This could be aproved upon. * Perspective: My Ironheart 21oz also does not have a perfectly aligned crotch. I am happy with how these look, but would aprove of tuning of the width of the seams.
2. The different width pocket seams:Mattbert said he didnt mind this, but if my 18oz came to me like this, I would ask for a return:  Its not so bad, nobody notices, but its also no reason it should leave the shop like this since its an area we see often. 3. The uneven "heartseam": I feel this is not so bad. It gives character and makes you think about that its humans that puts them togehter. But its also really no reason it should happen in the centerseam that we se alot of. I would aprove of getting center seams and other "areas of interest" better. Not a reason for return. * Perspective: These things above is the only faults I can find in the jeans. Only one of three is to me a reason of return. The crotch being the least of my worries since its both very very hard to get right, and also noone sees it. None of them danger the construction. So Why am I so anal about it. I will tell you why, and this is it: I have shown you many beautiful pics of the jeans, but i also see this:  ^Very nice. And bottom heartseam:  ^Perfect! Look at the seam at the edge of the fold. Super. Pockets:  ^Whoa, perfect pocket. Triple stitch:  ^Forget the crotch and look at the stitching along the fold. This is beautiful. The fifth pocket:  ^Its actually shaped like a lil pocket. And nobody even sees it. Love. Now take a look at the insane alignment of this patch:  Even more extreme is the alignment of the belt-loops:  ^Have you ever seen anything like this? * Perspective: Espesially the backpockets and the alignments are out of this world. I was going to compare them to my Ironhearts, but they actually look like rags next to the LD so i didnt wanna do it. My IH has held up for many years in the seams tho and I have only had the LD jeans for a day so not really fair, but the alignement is still there and its beautiful. So I think everyone can see that there is extreme competense and attention to detail here, and this is why I question the few things that are shaky. I already said the jeans are great at any price, but if Roman wants to know where to improve when he has the capacity, this is my notes. |
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Post by jjflash on Nov 20, 2014 14:47:00 GMT -6
Damn, I feel like I just got an education. Great post, Griffin.
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Post by jbcoulier on Nov 20, 2014 15:40:54 GMT -6
Griff you are a denim scientist investigating the LD species. Nice work. I want LD denim and I bet everyone who saw your review (unless they are wearing 1000 dollar jeans and creating fades on them with a soft-bristle toothbrush while listening to harp music) will too.
Roman and Co. are not perfect yet but for the price... they are most definitely kicking serious ass!
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Post by stinky on Nov 20, 2014 16:29:10 GMT -6
 Okay, I've been wearing my LD promo pair for a day now, and they appear to be the exact same pair that Griffin received via Mattbert, that is, a crispy/crunchy, medium indigo cone denim with an orange/peach ID, and they seem somewhere in the 14-15 oz. range. I only told roman my inseam (32, but make them 34 because I like a single cuff), true waist size, and that I like slimmer, but not skinny jeans, but barring that, send me whatever. Griffin hit on a lot of the details, and I couldn't possibly do a better job with photos than those he posted, I did snap a few which I will include. What I will do is run through my impression/feelings about them, because I think that a good piece of clothing isn't just about the materials and construction methods, but rather how you feel about them and how they make you feel. What I Like About These JeansThe fit: Absolutely spot-on perfect. No raw fingers. No hopping around the room trying to get those top buttons done. No raw, bleeding hips. They are absolutely 100% perfect with the fit guide. Every. Single. Measurement. The feel great, especially in the top block. I have a bit of tightness in the calves, but I will bring that up later.
Triple stitch on inseam: This is something that I absolutely thought I wouldn't like, and when I pulled them out of the mailer, I thought "well, that's not good." Then, it grew on me. A lot. Now, I really dig it. I'm not sure that I would want every pair of jeans to have this, but it looks good on this pair. It gives them a "working man" feel (or lumbersexual if you please). It's cool to look down when I'm at my desk and see something that I'm not used to.  Dual chainstitch: This is something that I just knew I wouldn't like, and when the promo pair folks started posting that they got the dual chainstitch, I knew that I would likely get it too, and I definitely wouldn't like it, but I do. I really like it. It adds to the lumbersexual feel of this pair--the triple stitch inseam and the dual chainstitch go together really well and gives the jeans an interesting look that you just don't see. It's not flashy, just different. Again, I wouldn't want all my pairs like this, but it's a nice occasional touch. Clamshell stitching in the fly: It's really cool looking and perfectly executed. Rivets: I love the bits of fabric that stick out of the nipple. No one is ever going to see that but me, but I love it. Hardware: The buttons are solid, well made and no-nonsense. Front fly alignment: A lot of chatter has been posted about how the G fly looks off a bit in terms of L to R balance, but even though the fly is biased toward the left (as it should be), whatever Roman and his folks did when designing these, it is well masked and looks centered. Front pocket bags and pocket lining: The canvas used for the pockets and pocket linings is substantial and solid. It's nice and thick and crispy--beefier than any pair of jeans I own and will likely last as long as the denim. Even the coin pocket is lined--nice touch! The front pockets are the perfect size and my LG G2 fits nicely in there, even when I'm sitting. No expense was spared on the pockets. No tags inside: I love the fact that there's no tags inside. No washing instructions, no sizing, no branding, no "made in USA" red-white-and-blue stuff. Nothing. It gives them a "My buddy Roman the badass denim guy made these up for me last weekend" feel.  What I Don't Like About These Jeans
Back pocket size: They are too small, and this has already been addressed, which was absolutely the right move on LD's part. I never put anything in them, it's just that the rear pockets are the thing that gives jeans their look/identity, and the smaller pockets are a tad "ladylike." Geisha label: I like simple and/or classic rear patch designs, and the swordlady is not something I would have chosen. Then again, I always wear a belt, so no one will ever see it. Second gold stitching on waistband: I'm sure this is something that adds strength/durability/longevity, but I would prefer that second line of stitching in dark blue. Again, I always wear a belt, so it will not be noticed. Extra belt loop in back: I busted my ass 3 years ago and lost a shit ton of weight, and as a benefit, I no longer had to wear jeans with an extra belt loop in the back. It sort of adds to the "working man" theme, but when I see it, the extra loop reminds me of my fat jeans. It would be nice for LD to make a single, centered belt loop an option. Frankly, this is the detail on the overall design of the jeans that I dislike the most. Calves: I do not (think that I) have oversized calves, but these seem tight to me for "middle of the road between skinny and regular" jeans. Not sure what kind of feedback LD has received on the leg sizing, but an extra .5" in the calf area would be great. The hem opening size is perfect--its just that a bit of extra room in the calves would move them away from the "skinny" territory. They're not skin-tight, it's just that I tend to be a bit claustrophobic, and the tightness there nags at me a bit. The thighs, etc. are perfect--just a tad more calf room please. (I should note that although I see this as an issue, they are, once again, spot on to the fit guide). Cone denim: It's good, high quality stuff, but I tend to like the japanese stuff better because it has more character. Conclusion
Overall, I really dig these jeans. Before I got them, I had planned on perhaps wearing them for a few days and passing them on to spread the love a la Mattbert, but no such luck, suckers. I'm keeping them. And I'm going to wear the crap out of them. Since I've gotten in to raw denim, I've tended to baby my jeans. That stops today. No only am I going to wear them to the office, but I have a winter project that involves remodeling the entire upstairs of my house, including laying hardwood floors, etc. These suckers are getting the durability test, and when they get soaked in the spring after I'm done, I'll have a killer pair of jeans. |
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Post by Griffin on Nov 20, 2014 16:38:31 GMT -6
Griffin smurf...strange i haven't gotten any blue hand syndrome while wearing mine. perhaps i don't massage my legs as much as you  Are yours the peach-id? I got blue hands from just normal handling. They are better after the soak but still wears off on the hands some and no im not massaging my legs lol. Fabric-wise they are a little bland. But remeber i have worn loomstates for the last year so night and day. There is something i cant put my finger on that i love about it tho. They are too smooth but at the same time feel Nice to the touch and feel rigid and dense. The color is also special and its not starch since its still here after the hothot soak. I like the color alot and its hard to capture on photos. Its not a normal levis blue. Looking forward to how they wear. I also forgot but the length is not my specification but made with a cuff in mind. I dont usually cuff so i like that i have to with these and it looks good. The double chainstitch is cool when cuffing. The id is also very Nice and clean and has sharp color edges so it pops. I wouldnt chose this fabric myself from the site if unseen but recommend it now since its very fine and feels premium. Also the color of the thread is a cool darker copper. And the black/copper buttons are very Nice so i think they will look Great on my hbone shirt. |
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Post by beeranddenim on Nov 20, 2014 16:43:02 GMT -6
Old26Thanks. I'll size up on the inseam. I'd rather too long than too short. I prefer around 34 and don't mind cuffing. So I'll go with 35
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Post by Griffin on Nov 20, 2014 16:51:07 GMT -6
stinky its wierd how different one can feel but the double loops are one of my favourite things based on the exact opposite. I never got them in 35 but got them in the upsized to 38 loomstates so the grass is greener on the other side. Speaking of claustrophobic you would click if you got the G loomies. I have chicken calves and they absolutely squeeze my calves. Have to manually force them down or they stack midcalves lol! New feeling forsure and all other jeans feels baggy afterwards. Hmm maybe that is your solution haha. (wear the loomies and get cured)
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Post by stinky on Nov 20, 2014 16:58:42 GMT -6
stinky its wierd how different one can feel but the double loops are one of my favourite things based on the exact opposite. I never got them in 35 but got them in the upsized to 38 loomstates so the grass is greener on the other side. Speaking of claustrophobic you would click if you got the G loomies. I have chicken calves and they absolutely squeeze my calves. Have to manually force them down or they stack midcalves lol! New feeling forsure and all other jeans feels baggy afterwards. Hmm maybe that is your solution haha. (wear the loomies and get cured) You know what's really funny is that we have the same pairs. I've been wearing my loomies non-stop since i got them. I wear a 34 slim in G, and my loomies are sized up to 36 regular, which put them smack in the middle between slim and regular by the time they were hot soaked. I got mine second hand with a soak and a few wears in September, and they are what I took off to put my LD's on. The 36 G loomie has a single loop in back (and 5 buttons which is my only G pair with 5 buttons--the rest have 4). I have 2 pairs in the hopper which should ship in early December. I hope that LD comes out with loomies--they are hands-down my favorite denim. Really special stuff. I just love the horizontal texture. It's like a slub t-shirt except in denim. |
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Post by Tertius Gaudens on Nov 20, 2014 16:59:08 GMT -6
Ok, you guys are not helping me manage my excitement for all this Lawless stuff I've ordered... Everything looks so great!
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Post by Old26 on Nov 20, 2014 17:05:38 GMT -6
Old26Thanks. I'll size up on the inseam. I'd rather too long than too short. I prefer around 34 and don't mind cuffing. So I'll go with 35 I'm going to see if Roman can do a 38" inseam for me. I'll even pay more. I just want to cuff a fscking pair of jeans! |
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Post by Old26 on Nov 20, 2014 17:09:29 GMT -6
Great review Sir Stinksalot! But that rug - even better man!
I like this review format - I shall do the same and I think unless someone has objections, we should make it the template - give or take a category or two? Fellas?
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Post by goon on Nov 20, 2014 17:21:53 GMT -6
stinky can you measure the waist on yours? I'm also a 34 slim in Gustin and trying to get a feel for the size. Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 17:28:01 GMT -6
yep, that's why i found it strange that i haven't gotten any real indigo transfer and you've gotten so much. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 17:29:39 GMT -6
stinky let us know how you feel about the calves after a few days to a week of wear. mine were borderline annoyingly snug the first day or two, but now feel fine. i'm not sure if i just got used to it, or if the break in and minimal stretch alleviated it a bit. (likely both)
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Post by stinky on Nov 20, 2014 17:34:41 GMT -6
stinky can you measure the waist on yours? I'm also a 34 slim in Gustin and trying to get a feel for the size. Thanks They were exactly 35" measured G style. The G 34 slim spec is 34.5". |
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Post by roman on Nov 20, 2014 17:39:07 GMT -6
weft really showing through on those. did you get a confirmation of which denim was used? look like some darn tough socks there... Yes, my crazier Darn Tough socks The weft looks just like my Gustin 18oz'ers. They just don't feel as heavy, so I'm not sure yet. Waiting on DD to get back to me, but he's on a flight I think... That is the 18.5oz Kuroki. |
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Post by roman on Nov 20, 2014 17:40:42 GMT -6
Old26Thanks. I'll size up on the inseam. I'd rather too long than too short. I prefer around 34 and don't mind cuffing. So I'll go with 35 I'm going to see if Roman can do a 38" inseam for me. I'll even pay more. I just want to cuff a fscking pair of jeans! We can do a 38" inseam no charge. That's an easy one. |
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Post by goon on Nov 20, 2014 17:43:15 GMT -6
stinky can you measure the waist on yours? I'm also a 34 slim in Gustin and trying to get a feel for the size. Thanks They were exactly 35" measured G style. The G 34 slim spec is 34.5". That's great thanks, I went with the 35 so it should be perfect. |
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Post by indigoferanut on Nov 20, 2014 18:17:35 GMT -6
Damn, I feel like I just got an education. Great post, Griffin. +1 _ constructive criticism delivered with the best possible intent, I.e. to make LD even more awesome. |
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The weft looks just like my Gustin 18oz'ers. They just don't feel as heavy, so I'm not sure yet. Waiting on DD to get back to me, but he's on a flight I think...
