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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 23:28:51 GMT -6
One more note regarding the G community . . . you used to be able to search it via google, but i just tried to find an older post of mine through google, and nothing showed up. Why? They changed their robots.txt file to disallow search engine crawling: www.weargustin.com/robots.txtUser-agent: * Disallow: /community/ How f'ing sad is that? btw, Cody answered you guys questions while the LD sales was going on two days ago. If you guys have not read those Cody's reply, you may find those answers interesting...................................... Yeah, a couple of the answers basically just point people to Styleforum or reddit for G specific communication... not wanting to reinvent the wheel with their own forum. I don't hold that against them, but the fact that they let it linger and die a slow painful death instead of just making a statement and closing it down is ridiculous and ill conceived. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 23:33:32 GMT -6
Thanks for reading my comment... btw, what did I say? I cannot even remember.... There were two of them . . . one was directing people to proboards for an epic sale, and the other one was you waking up from a bank account-draining buying bender at LD. Well...... $40 vs $110 for the same pair of jeans ..... work shirt i $35 vs. $135 .... for people who cares, I wanted at least to give them a chance to decide to try LD or not. |
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Post by stinky on Nov 5, 2014 23:35:46 GMT -6
btw, Cody answered you guys questions while the LD sales was going on two days ago. If you guys have not read those Cody's reply, you may find those answers interesting...................................... Yeah, a couple of the answers basically just point people to Styleforum or reddit for G specific communication... not wanting to reinvent the wheel with their own forum. I don't hold that against them, but the fact that they let it linger and die a slow painful death instead of just making a statement and closing it down is ridiculous and ill conceived. Wait until /r or sf members have QC issues and they go radio silent on those forums . . . the backlash will be a fraction of what it was on the G board. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 23:40:09 GMT -6
Yeah, a couple of the answers basically just point people to Styleforum or reddit for G specific communication... not wanting to reinvent the wheel with their own forum. I don't hold that against them, but the fact that they let it linger and die a slow painful death instead of just making a statement and closing it down is ridiculous and ill conceived. Wait until /r or sf members have QC issues and they go radio silent on those forums . . . the backlash will be a fraction of what it was on the G board. From Lego Movie "Everything is awesome....." .................... until you get the $140 work shirt from the mail. |
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Post by exophobe on Nov 5, 2014 23:48:16 GMT -6
Wait until /r or sf members have QC issues and they go radio silent on those forums . . . the backlash will be a fraction of what it was on the G board. That's what I was thinking. Hell, G-Comm regulars would get ripped apart on foreign forums just for saying they were happy with something they received from Gustin. The style forum page is a paid page, so they can moderate that one, but forcing people into the wild for Gustin info is a lot less predictable. Also, it's probably a good idea to get this forum name changed before a cease and desist is served. |
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Post by exophobe on Nov 6, 2014 1:05:11 GMT -6
HI All. I must say that the response was not what I was expecting. I did not know there where so many hater in the denim world. The Denim brands I know help each other and support each other work. I am sorry the response was so negative. Then again the numbers speak volumes for what people believe and want. I had more reddit reader on my site and buying then anyone else. (next to you guys of course.) All I want to do is produce a great product at a fair price and put some people to work. nothing more. If it is a crime to believing in a good american made product at a fair price then I guess I'm screwed cause that is want I'm going to do. I will continue to move forward with LD&CO. and we will become a successful brand. Maybe not in the eye of the die hard denim fans but to the general public that up until now was not willing to try a selvedge denim jean because they could not understand the price point for work wear. I make my clothing for the average hard work person that knows what they want. They don't have to spend half there pay check on a pair of jean that are made in some US factory for $15.00 a pair then marked up 600%. Is that number real? yYes very real everyone pays it and they do their mark up. So you wonder how I can make a jean for $40.00. easy. I control every thing in my factory. How many brand can say that? I don't pretend to be making clothing by labeling my clothes American Made and posting pics of some factory with quotes like " at the factory checking out thread colors" to my IG account. So I ask you who is the real fake? I can proudly say not us. We walk the talk every single day 7 days a week. These principles are exactly why I'm pulling for you and Lawless. This is what really interested me about the videos that were linked off of the previous site (I think?). Then you put this stuff up at an absolute steal of a price, then you offered 50% off. On top of that, you're offering options that just aren't available at anywhere near this price anywhere else, and it looks like you've got people making this stuff that really care about your mission and your vision, which is what American craftsmanship is all about. I know it's a way out, but I'm really looking forward to my order. Thanks again. |
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Post by ickes on Nov 6, 2014 2:10:13 GMT -6
derek g; no worries man, I admire the passion  ....and lord knows I've had my rants.
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Post by thomasss on Nov 6, 2014 2:39:43 GMT -6
Thank you wisdom. You can count on LD&CO and myself to have you guys back. If there is an issue. We will make it right. I do operate on old school values. I still make deals with a hand shack and I keep my word. You will see that I am just a big a fan of you guys and you are of LD&CO. Just to assure you our back too, just take your time, make a good product as i'm sure you know how to do... I guess, people prefer get their products one or two weeks later but get satisfied !!! I'm sure we will !!! We believe in you and your belief... |
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Post by jbcoulier on Nov 6, 2014 4:06:14 GMT -6
Word, Roman. If you look at what those 'haters' were saying it doesn't amount to much of anything but 'I'm going to pick this apart because I want to feel superior'. If they want to count stitches and pay 3-4 times as much then let them have that luxury. My old man's a farmer and been wearing jeans since day 1 and there's not a snowball's chance in hell he'd buy a 300 dollar pair because he knows what all denim die-hards know: the things wear out quick, especially if you work in em. But I'll be referring him to Lawless, not only because of the radical quality he'll be getting for price, but because it's manned by people you can respect! It's easy to make snide remarks online but ask how many of those guys even know how to flat-fell a seam and I bet you'd get a world of silence. Carry on!
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Nov 6, 2014 9:28:11 GMT -6
I actually believed all those threads were going great regardless of the ridiculous posts. Enough people made some good comments including the people who posted about doubting Lawless is real or capable. There was some good back & forth even though it wasnt a pro Lawless discussion, it still was a discussion
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Post by matt on Nov 6, 2014 9:39:36 GMT -6
Wait until /r or sf members have QC issues and they go radio silent on those forums . . . the backlash will be a fraction of what it was on the G board. That's what I was thinking. Hell, G-Comm regulars would get ripped apart on foreign forums just for saying they were happy with something they received from Gustin. The style forum page is a paid page, so they can moderate that one, but forcing people into the wild for Gustin info is a lot less predictable. Also, it's probably a good idea to get this forum name changed before a cease and desist is served. Looping in Winterland - Exophobe makes a fair point. While I don't envision G having a lawyer come after this community with a cease and desist order, I would think it's better to get ahead of it. For everyone else, there is a naming thread here - it's closed, but if anyone wants to chime in, perhaps Winterland could unlock it again. But I think we had some good alternative - not sure the work involved considering the name is in the web address. |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Nov 6, 2014 13:16:44 GMT -6
CODE IS STILL ACTIVE (SHHH)
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Post by ickes on Nov 6, 2014 13:23:32 GMT -6
Dirty_Denim; Nice! Eff it, I thinkI need a Utility coat in my llif, now II've got a good excuse to get one...50% off baby here I come
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 14:02:23 GMT -6
Yeah, we need to keep it to ourselves.....
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Post by thomasss on Nov 7, 2014 9:11:12 GMT -6
why is it impossible to find the site via google?
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Post by julian on Nov 7, 2014 9:15:25 GMT -6
why is it impossible to find the site via google? It's under a very new domain name and it doesn't help that neither the Title tag nor Description tag include the word 'Lawless'. |
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Post by Tobesjones on Nov 7, 2014 9:35:59 GMT -6
Has anyone had orders changed and reflected on the site? For instance I changed some sizes/details from my original order when the charts were off. Also anyone see orders from before the website changed? I don't see any of this reflected yet.
I know Lawless probably got what I requested but would always be comforting to double check before cutting has begun.
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Post by wisdom on Nov 7, 2014 9:45:09 GMT -6
Has anyone had orders changed and reflected on the site? For instance I changed some sizes/details from my original order when the charts were off. Also anyone see orders from before the website changed? I don't see any of this reflected yet. I know Lawless probably got what I requested but would always be comforting to double check before cutting has begun. I don't think the public has direct access to old orders anymore.. Lawless seems to have a pretty organized and logical (and probably fair) method of keeping track of all orders and changes. I normally get quick responses from someone at Lawless to confirm when a request has been noted, but lately, some minor change requests have not been responded to. I take two things from this.. they're extremely busy and it's possible that the orders I'd like changed are already in production and can't be changed. It's uncharacteristic for Lawless to not close the conversation loop, so I'm guessing they're slammed with work right now. ..another suggestion for the site: Current estimated lead times! If I ever make my way out to Lawless, I'd love to check out how their operation works. I've built my career in operations and would love to see if there's anything I may be able to share with you guys that might make things smoother! |
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Post by julian on Nov 7, 2014 9:46:45 GMT -6
Has anyone had orders changed and reflected on the site? For instance I changed some sizes/details from my original order when the charts were off. Also anyone see orders from before the website changed? I don't see any of this reflected yet. I know Lawless probably got what I requested but would always be comforting to double check before cutting has begun. Stupidly, I ordered both pairs as a guest account - so have no way of knowing what's going on. I've sent a couple of (the same) revised measurement specs via email for both pairs, just got to keep my fingers crossed that it happens I guess. One thing that's a little annoying, if you buy using a guest account it doesn't then seem to let you open an account with the same email address. |
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Post by matt on Nov 7, 2014 10:09:43 GMT -6
From seeing firsthand how the accounts are managed - very organized system. For example - before I figured out how to back more than one item on the KS campaign, I created two KS accounts - they were able to consolidate everything in their system, no issues. They keep notes on everyone's file - special fit requests, etc. - consider that prior to the KS, Roman was producing custom denim for customers on a one-off basis, so he's got a good system in place to provide that customer detail. That's in part why they encourage the added detail in the message box during checkout - it's helping to build your unique profile in their system.
I would imagine that has they can bring the website up to speed with past orders via KS and specific client detail, we'll see more of that functionality.
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Nov 7, 2014 13:03:32 GMT -6
Has anyone had orders changed and reflected on the site? For instance I changed some sizes/details from my original order when the charts were off. Also anyone see orders from before the website changed? I don't see any of this reflected yet. I know Lawless probably got what I requested but would always be comforting to double check before cutting has begun. Stupidly, I ordered both pairs as a guest account - so have no way of knowing what's going on. I've sent a couple of (the same) revised measurement specs via email for both pairs, just got to keep my fingers crossed that it happens I guess. One thing that's a little annoying, if you buy using a guest account it doesn't then seem to let you open an account with the same email address. I can figure something out where I take a screen shot or something. I assure you we have it all in our view. The only thing that I have seen that can get crazy is when I open up the info@lawlessdenim.com emails people send and there is a tremendous amount of communication with one thing changed and then later changed to something else. The key is to most importantly state the order # & item u want the change on. People have 10 orders and are responding to confirm emails with requests to change the inseam on a jean that are for orders that dont even have jeans in them. When asking to change anything try to either respond to the order it is related to or state the order # and the items needing adjustments. Even with all that craziness I just spent the morning responding to every possible email and adjusted everything correctly in relation to the NEW site. Anything to do with Kickstarter or the old site I leave to Roman and team |
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Post by stinky on Nov 7, 2014 13:20:38 GMT -6
I can figure something out where I take a screen shot or something. I assure you we have it all in our view. The only thing that I have seen that can get crazy is when I open up the info@lawlessdenim.com emails people send and there is a tremendous amount of communication with one thing changed and then later changed to something else. The key is to most importantly state the order # & item u want the change on. People have 10 orders and are responding to confirm emails with requests to change the inseam on a jean that are for orders that dont even have jeans in them. When asking to change anything try to either respond to the order it is related to or state the order # and the items needing adjustments. Even with all that craziness I just spent the morning responding to every possible email and adjusted everything correctly in relation to the NEW site. Anything to do with Kickstarter or the old site I leave to Roman and team Maybe you could ask @winterland to set you up with a sticky or a sub board where you could post the procedures for making changes to existing orders? I need to make changes to mine, but I didn't want to do it without knowing what the procedure is. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 13:34:36 GMT -6
i'll be making a few small changes to mine, as well as confirming that my instructions in the comments section are do-able. just need to take a few minutes and figure out my sizing changes before i send them in.
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Post by jeffrx on Nov 7, 2014 18:54:52 GMT -6
Can you guys share about how many pieces were ordered because of the sale? I'd be curious to know.
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Nov 7, 2014 20:15:21 GMT -6
I can figure something out where I take a screen shot or something. I assure you we have it all in our view. The only thing that I have seen that can get crazy is when I open up the info@lawlessdenim.com emails people send and there is a tremendous amount of communication with one thing changed and then later changed to something else. The key is to most importantly state the order # & item u want the change on. People have 10 orders and are responding to confirm emails with requests to change the inseam on a jean that are for orders that dont even have jeans in them. When asking to change anything try to either respond to the order it is related to or state the order # and the items needing adjustments. Even with all that craziness I just spent the morning responding to every possible email and adjusted everything correctly in relation to the NEW site. Anything to do with Kickstarter or the old site I leave to Roman and team Maybe you could ask @winterland to set you up with a sticky or a sub board where you could post the procedures for making changes to existing orders? I need to make changes to mine, but I didn't want to do it without knowing what the procedure is. I can do everything for you. Just pop in the chat and if nobody is logged in leave a message via chat messages. I can see it and make changes. Once I am done directly from you order I can actually message you and update everything. It is very efficient actually |
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....and lord knows I've had my rants.
