So I sized up on the relaxed tapered for these, admittedly I'd like a slightly tighter top block. Soaking didn't get it yet, and I tend to really only get much shrink in the washing machine. Anyhow, denim is great, fast faders for sure. here are some crappy fit pics, and then a baby fades pic. Don't anticipate winning any fade competitions, but cool to see them start early.