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Post by nate001 on Mar 14, 2017 8:33:48 GMT -6
I'm nearing the end of the line for my current New Balance sneakers (996s). I love the look of NB, the quality construction, and the fact that they are MiUSA, but for reasons I can't talk about on this forum  , I'm looking for other options. Obviously, I prefer MiUSA, but there really aren't many options other than Victory that make a sneaker domestically (and I'm not crazy about their aesthetic). I'd be open to MiCanada or EU. Also haven't completely ruled out NB. It looks like Diadora has some Made in Italy options. Looking for a sneaker similar to the NB 996 or 1300, not so much the trainer style. |
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Post by drewcandraw on Mar 14, 2017 11:08:17 GMT -6
I can't think of any US or Euro made sneaker that is similar in silhouette.
Why not rebuy one of the models in another colorway or material?
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Post by bentin on Mar 14, 2017 11:09:47 GMT -6
Seam ripper the N off.
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Post by nate001 on Mar 14, 2017 11:26:51 GMT -6
I can't think of any US or Euro made sneaker that is similar in silhouette. Why not rebuy one of the models in another colorway or material? Yeah there are NB's that I'd be interested in buying if not for a few political reasons that I'm sure you can learn more about with a quick google search. Again, I'm not sure its an absolute disqualifier for me, but I'd like to see what my options are. |
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Post by nate001 on Mar 14, 2017 11:28:44 GMT -6
I wish that would resolve my moral conundrum, but I don't think it would. |
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Post by bentin on Mar 14, 2017 11:40:22 GMT -6
I'm afraid your choices are pretty ugly. Clearly PF Flyers are out. Soms:  Rancourts Courts are pretty far from a 996, I'll spare you the pic. |
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Post by matt on Mar 14, 2017 11:40:56 GMT -6
I'll admit, I am of the same feelings regarding NB for reasons I don't care to discuss here. I see them in my closet and pick to wear them rarely. I've actually opted to wear non-MiUSA options like my Gazelle's or my arbitrary pair of Nike trainers. I'm not as die-hard as many of the group hear in that regard (boots, yes, sneakers/trainers, not nearly as much). They serve a purpose (completing a look or actually exercising). I'm just sitting on mine for now and will probably resurrect once the bad PR fully dissipates.
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Post by bentin on Mar 14, 2017 11:43:56 GMT -6
Yep, I've moved my NB to the Goodwill pile too. I bought some comfy MiC Vans to replace them, I've come to terms that the Chinese have better regard for American citizens than certain Americans.
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Post by nate001 on Mar 14, 2017 11:45:59 GMT -6
I'm afraid your choices are pretty ugly. Clearly PF Flyers are out. Soms: Rancourts Courts are pretty far from a 996, I'll spare you the pic. Yeah I saw those Soms. Yowza. The rancourts aren't bad looking at all. In fact, I quite like them. They're just not the niche I'm looking to fill. I still have at least 6 months of life in my current pair, so I'm not desperate. I'll keep looking. I guess I should have mentioned made in Japan would be OK too. |
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Post by bentin on Mar 14, 2017 11:53:23 GMT -6
A lot of Adidas and a few Puma are still made in Germany, if you're okay not looking too far back. And since you mentioned MiJ, I'll just assume that will work.
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Post by nate001 on Mar 14, 2017 11:58:53 GMT -6
A lot of Adidas and a few Puma are still made in Germany, if you're okay not looking too far back. And since you mentioned MiJ, I'll just assume that will work. Ha. Yeah, I don't think my ethical timeline needs to go back to the forties. That being said, there are plenty of folks who still refuse to buy a Mercedes. |
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Post by nate001 on Mar 14, 2017 12:04:42 GMT -6
Type B corporations were another idea I had. Unfortunately, in a brief look at the possibilities it doesn't look like any one is really making a NB equivalent. I did run into this company though: www.oliberte.comThey've got some kinda cool looking stuff. Not sure about the construction, but I like the look. |
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Post by bentin on Mar 14, 2017 12:11:57 GMT -6
A lot of Adidas and a few Puma are still made in Germany, if you're okay not looking too far back. And since you mentioned MiJ, I'll just assume that will work. Ha. Yeah, I don't think my ethical timeline needs to go back to the forties. That being said, there are plenty of folks who still refuse to buy a Mercedes. I was just commenting that my dad's Peruvian Jewish wife owning a few Mercedes does seem like an odd choice. |
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Post by unnamed on Mar 14, 2017 15:46:38 GMT -6
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Post by exophobe on Mar 14, 2017 16:58:03 GMT -6
Are we talking about wannabe nazis? Did I miss something where new balance is totally cool with that, or are they being punished cause a bunch of douche-nozzles identify with their product?
Edit: If we're not talking about wannabe Nazis I would appreciate a link to whatever it is we are outraged about -- though I have to admit I hate new balance just based on the merits of their products.
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Post by drewcandraw on Mar 14, 2017 20:26:12 GMT -6
thanks for that link unnamed never knew that but dang 8 month backlog for new customers. |
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Post by matt on Mar 14, 2017 20:33:25 GMT -6
Are we talking about wannabe nazis? Did I miss something where new balance is totally cool with that, or are they being punished cause a bunch of douche-nozzles identify with their product? Edit: If we're not talking about wannabe Nazis I would appreciate a link to whatever it is we are outraged about -- though I have to admit I hate new balance just based on the merits of their products. You are correct. It's not that they were "totally cool with it", it's just the context in which their statement was taken. This article sums up the chaos nicely. I do like the unofficial slogan of "the official shoes of white people". I would have totally assumed "white people shoes" would be any of those shoes with the individual toes. Side note: when you Google "white people shoes", it firmly entrenched in New Balance responses. |
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Post by nate001 on Mar 15, 2017 5:42:23 GMT -6
For me this is less about some VP's statements after the election and the white supremacist a holes doing an effective troll job. However, while reading about this somewhat drummed up controversy, I learned NB's owner, Jim Davis, contributed to our current president's campaign. Now, I'm not going to sit here and say that I have completely divested myself of all things trump and trump related, but, if given the choice I would prefer to not support Jim Davis. Again, I'm not saying I will absolutely not buy NB, but I would like to explore other options. It is a tricky calculus. I dont know if the moral high ground is to support NB's workers in Massachusetts regardless of what the owner thinks or to make some kind of BS statement and not buy their shoes. Arg. It would have been much easier if I never knew any of this stuff.
That's all I'll say on the topic now. If there is a philosophy major in the crowd who wants to shed some light on this, please weigh in.
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Post by ickes on Mar 15, 2017 10:23:48 GMT -6
I've always thought NB's were ugly so easy choice for me.
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Post by ickes on Mar 15, 2017 10:28:22 GMT -6
and just some food for thought here....but if this is our reason for burning NB's then by this same logic wouldn't we burn our Dr. Martens? Our bomber jackets? haven't those items been synonymous with certain groups for much longer?
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Post by bentin on Mar 15, 2017 10:36:35 GMT -6
and just some food for thought here....but if this is our reason for burning NB's then by this same logic wouldn't we burn our Dr. Martens? Our bomber jackets? haven't those items been synonymous with certain groups for much longer? Docs, Schott and others never came out and stepped on their dicks when discussing who buys their stuff. They also tend not to air their political laundry in public either. Much like the Under Armour guy, or Mark Cuban (the other direction), when you open up your political views to public opinion, or just soft pedal on issues that deserve a better reaction, you risk alienating some of your customer base. As for the TPP thing, I'm assuming that was just political posturing, as far more NB products are still made over there and they would have benefited much more from TPP going through than their extremely limited US capacity would gain by it being scuttled. |
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Post by ickes on Mar 15, 2017 10:39:19 GMT -6
and just some food for thought here....but if this is our reason for burning NB's then by this same logic wouldn't we burn our Dr. Martens? Our bomber jackets? haven't those items been synonymous with certain groups for much longer? Docs, Schott and others never came out and stepped on their dicks when discussing who buys their stuff. They also tend not to air their political laundry in public either. Much like the Under Armour guy, or Mark Cuban (the other direction), when you open up your political views to public opinion, or just soft pedal on issues that deserve a better reaction, you risk alienating some of your customer base. As for the TPP thing, I'm assuming that was just political posturing, as far more NB products are still made over there and they would have benefited much more from TPP going through than their extremely limited US capacity would gain by it being scuttled. I wasn't aware NB stepped on their dicks regarding who promotes their stuff. I never saw that. |
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Post by bentin on Mar 15, 2017 11:18:39 GMT -6
Meh, for me some of the anger over the way they handled it, by posting more about TPP before addressing the neo goofballs was a group looking for any reason to be mad.
I stopped wearing mine for two reasons. The easy one, they're pretty worn out and should be replaced. The more complex one is that it's easier to limit my chances to anger my employees or coworkers for something out of my control. If someone wants to form an opinion about me, I'd rather it be from my actions than the branded goods I wear and peoples' possibly arbitrary opinions attached to them.
If it turns out Chuck Taylor was a pedophile or whatever, I'm gonna be screwed.
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Post by exophobe on Mar 15, 2017 12:21:50 GMT -6
For me this is less about some VP's statements after the election and the white supremacist a holes doing an effective troll job. However, while reading about this somewhat drummed up controversy, I learned NB's owner, Jim Davis, contributed to our current president's campaign. Now, I'm not going to sit here and say that I have completely divested myself of all things trump and trump related, but, if given the choice I would prefer to not support Jim Davis. Again, I'm not saying I will absolutely not buy NB, but I would like to explore other options. It is a tricky calculus. I dont know if the moral high ground is to support NB's workers in Massachusetts regardless of what the owner thinks or to make some kind of BS statement and not buy their shoes. Arg. It would have been much easier if I never knew any of this stuff. That's all I'll say on the topic now. If there is a philosophy major in the crowd who wants to shed some light on this, please weigh in. Just making sure I'm on the same page, not really looking for a debate either. Thanks for elaborating. |
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Post by exophobe on Mar 15, 2017 12:25:17 GMT -6
Meh, for me some of the anger over the way they handled it, by posting more about TPP before addressing the neo goofballs was a group looking for any reason to be mad. I stopped wearing mine for two reasons. The easy one, they're pretty worn out and should be replaced. The more complex one is that it's easier to limit my chances to anger my employees or coworkers for something out of my control. If someone wants to form an opinion about me, I'd rather it be from my actions than the branded goods I wear and peoples' possibly arbitrary opinions attached to them. If it turns out Chuck Taylor was a pedophile or whatever, I'm gonna be screwed. Nah. You're too old. |
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, I'm looking for other options. Obviously, I prefer MiUSA, but there really aren't many options other than Victory that make a sneaker domestically (and I'm not crazy about their aesthetic). I'd be open to MiCanada or EU. Also haven't completely ruled out NB. It looks like Diadora has some Made in Italy options. Looking for a sneaker similar to the NB 996 or 1300, not so much the trainer style. 
