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Post by whiskeyriver on Jun 3, 2016 15:28:02 GMT -6
...DOES NOT FADE. Like, at all. I have been wearing a pair of (insert crooked brand's name here) Italian Candiani "12" oz. denim for more than a year now, solidly in my rotation. So probably close to 90 wears. No washes. Zero fades. None. They didn't stink, either. I air them out pretty well. But yeah, just washed them for the first time and not a single fade. Good thing is they'll last forever cuz Manny made 'em. Bad thing is that's approximately how long it'll take to fade 'em.
So now there are three constants in life: death, taxes, and Italian jeans don't fade.
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Post by bentin on Jun 3, 2016 15:31:51 GMT -6
But they're so soft. Mine are stupid Black X Black and they actually have Tyrion levels of fading. But the denim is so uniform and boring. It should really be called German, it's that precise.
Left Field has some Italian stuff that seems to fade, so it can be done, but it's certainly not the norm.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 15:51:21 GMT -6
i'm pretty sure that 'candiani' means 'color fast' in italian.
i briefly owned pairs of blackXblack and greyXblack from G and sold both due to their uniform color/texture and soft/drapey feel.
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Post by gaseousclay on Jun 3, 2016 16:30:55 GMT -6
Funny, I almost posted a thread a few days ago asking the very same question about Italian denim not fading. Is there some secretive dying technique that Candiani uses to ensure zero fades?
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Post by matt on Jun 3, 2016 16:41:01 GMT -6
I am middle of the road on this. For I have 3 jeans and 1 workshirt of the Italian fabrics:
Canidiani 12 or 13 oz. workshirt from the "crooks" - no fades until an initial soak. Only saw minimal fade points on the pocket flap and along the button holes (sleeve and primary buttons).
G Italian 14 oz. BxB - Never washed, have worn consistently for close to a year (once per week). Given that they are BxB I didn't go in with high hopes for fades. I'm seeing some elements of fading in the thighs and honeycomb areas. But it's more like a "dark grey" in those spots.
G Italian 14 oz. IndigoxIndigo - are these the exceptions to the rule? These are showing the greatest wear but are presently not in the regular rotation. Solid electric blue coming in around the button-fly and on the thighs. Lots of smurfing on my fingers when I wears these (damn button fly).
G Italian Midnights (13 oz.) - Not a fast fader, but they are showing some signs of fading.
Is it more about the Italian mill? Is it a case where Candiani is the "no fade" mill and wherever G may source is not be going direct to Candiani on their Italian denims?
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Post by exophobe on Jun 3, 2016 17:31:43 GMT -6
...DOES NOT FADE. Like, at all. I have been wearing a pair of (insert crooked brand's name here) Italian Candiani "12" oz. denim for more than a year now, solidly in my rotation. So probably close to 90 wears. No washes. Zero fades. None. They didn't stink, either. I air them out pretty well. But yeah, just washed them for the first time and not a single fade. Good thing is they'll last forever cuz Manny made 'em. Bad thing is that's approximately how long it'll take to fade 'em. So now there are three constants in life: death, taxes, and Italian jeans don't fade. It is seriously to the point where, if I have an Italian denim showing any fades, I start to believe it is Japanese accidentally sold as Italian. That said, my Italian Midnight Indigo whatchamacallits are developing a bit, getting some slightly electric hits on edges, but they are definitely fading. Second, I think the <redacted> ixi shirt I bought from ickes is Candiani, and it's definitely doing some fading in wear spots. The interesting thing is that indigo is generally considered a poor dye in fabric circles because of it's constant evolution -- it sounds like that's just cultural misunderstanding, though. Italians aren't interested in fading indigo, being steeped in the fashion industry, the Japanese value wabisabi and want the scars of life on prominent display. Cone tends to sit right in the middle, but is generally pretty stubborn up front. I just don't much care for the shade of blue they turn with washing. |
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Post by northcoast on Jun 3, 2016 17:52:06 GMT -6
I love this thread.
I'm starting to have a bit of interest in purchasing some faders but I really like Italian denim for it's consistency and difficulty fading.
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Post by gaseousclay on Jun 3, 2016 20:14:36 GMT -6
...DOES NOT FADE. Like, at all. I have been wearing a pair of (insert crooked brand's name here) Italian Candiani "12" oz. denim for more than a year now, solidly in my rotation. So probably close to 90 wears. No washes. Zero fades. None. They didn't stink, either. I air them out pretty well. But yeah, just washed them for the first time and not a single fade. Good thing is they'll last forever cuz Manny made 'em. Bad thing is that's approximately how long it'll take to fade 'em. So now there are three constants in life: death, taxes, and Italian jeans don't fade. It is seriously to the point where, if I have an Italian denim showing any fades, I start to believe it is Japanese accidentally sold as Italian. That said, my Italian Midnight Indigo whatchamacallits are developing a bit, getting some slightly electric hits on edges, but they are definitely fading. Second, I think the <redacted> ixi shirt I bought from ickes is Candiani, and it's definitely doing some fading in wear spots. The interesting thing is that indigo is generally considered a poor dye in fabric circles because of it's constant evolution -- it sounds like that's just cultural misunderstanding, though. Italians aren't interested in fading indigo, being steeped in the fashion industry, the Japanese value wabisabi and want the scars of life on prominent display. Cone tends to sit right in the middle, but is generally pretty stubborn up front. I just don't much care for the shade of blue they turn with washing. I had the opposite experience with my Gustin American Standards, which is Cone. Those have faded amazingly well for me, whereas, my N&F LHT's have been stubborn faders. The LHT's are fading, just not as fast |
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Post by matt on Jun 3, 2016 20:14:47 GMT -6
I love this thread. I'm starting to have a bit of interest in purchasing some faders but I really like Italian denim for it's consistency and difficulty fading. Honestly, I've tried to have a balance in that regard. I tend to gravitate towards my Italians for more "dressy" situations and the Cone's and Japanese for any generally all situations where I don't opt to put the Italians in play. |
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Post by gaseousclay on Jun 3, 2016 20:20:58 GMT -6
I think Italian denim would drive me nuts because it doesnt fade. I love watching the whole denim evo thing
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Post by northcoast on Jun 3, 2016 22:43:11 GMT -6
I love this thread. I'm starting to have a bit of interest in purchasing some faders but I really like Italian denim for it's consistency and difficulty fading. Honestly, I've tried to have a balance in that regard. I tend to gravitate towards my Italians for more "dressy" situations and the Cone's and Japanese for any generally all situations where I don't opt to put the Italians in play. THat is pretty much the strategy I have been seeking to employ. Except well, I've had a hard time not just buying some more 'faded' pairs but have so far resisted. I do really enjoy the broken in and faded look and plan on giving it a bit of a try, but would prefer 'fast faders'. Otherwise, I may just let the machines do it for me and enjoy wearing them and skip the journey. The pissing blue all over stuff thing really gets me as well. Not a fan. Have had some slow faders that have bled on my hands and my shoes and I'm just not into it. Don't like having nice things turn blue. |
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Post by matt on Jun 4, 2016 7:41:15 GMT -6
Honestly, I've tried to have a balance in that regard. I tend to gravitate towards my Italians for more "dressy" situations and the Cone's and Japanese for any generally all situations where I don't opt to put the Italians in play. THat is pretty much the strategy I have been seeking to employ. Except well, I've had a hard time not just buying some more 'faded' pairs but have so far resisted. I do really enjoy the broken in and faded look and plan on giving it a bit of a try, but would prefer 'fast faders'. Otherwise, I may just let the machines do it for me and enjoy wearing them and skip the journey. The pissing blue all over stuff thing really gets me as well. Not a fan. Have had some slow faders that have bled on my hands and my shoes and I'm just not into it. Don't like having nice things turn blue. That's an interesting point - the pissing blue part of a slow fader. You'd think if they fade so slowly, the blue wouldn't come off as easy. That's the case with my IndigoxIndigo - multiple bathroom trips over the course of a work day, and I'm looking at smurf fingers from handling the button-fly (I feel like I just set up someone for a joke there...you're welcome in advance). Seems a little backwards as my fast fading Japanese denim never really bled on me or my shoes or whatnot. |
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Post by whiskeyriver on Jun 4, 2016 10:33:53 GMT -6
Whereas, I can handle my Candiani all day every day and never see a speck of blue on fingers, under nails, in the soap when washing hands, on my shoes. Nothing. They seem as color fast as can be.
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Post by northcoast on Jun 4, 2016 10:38:09 GMT -6
The pissing blue all over stuff thing really gets me as well. Not a fan. Have had some slow faders that have bled on my hands and my shoes and I'm just not into it. Don't like having nice things turn blue. That's an interesting point - the pissing blue part of a slow fader. You'd think if they fade so slowly, the blue wouldn't come off as easy. That's the case with my IndigoxIndigo - multiple bathroom trips over the course of a work day, and I'm looking at smurf fingers from handling the button-fly (I feel like I just set up someone for a joke there...you're welcome in advance). Seems a little backwards as my fast fading Japanese denim never really bled on me or my shoes or whatnot. There I go again, not being clear. I was referencing some JC**W dark jeans that have just barely faded but still slightly bleed. I thing they were probably made with Chinese fabrics. I've had no bleeding issues with my indigo x coal which is probably the darkest Italian G other than maybe Indigo x Indigo (which I want but don't need at the moment). |
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Post by matt on Jun 4, 2016 11:16:35 GMT -6
That's an interesting point - the pissing blue part of a slow fader. You'd think if they fade so slowly, the blue wouldn't come off as easy. That's the case with my IndigoxIndigo - multiple bathroom trips over the course of a work day, and I'm looking at smurf fingers from handling the button-fly (I feel like I just set up someone for a joke there...you're welcome in advance). Seems a little backwards as my fast fading Japanese denim never really bled on me or my shoes or whatnot. There I go again, not being clear. I was referencing some JC**W dark jeans that have just barely faded but still slightly bleed. I thing they were probably made with Chinese fabrics. I've had no bleeding issues with my indigo x coal which is probably the darkest Italian G other than maybe Indigo x Indigo (which I want but don't need at the moment). No, your point was clear. I have the Italian IxI and they piss indigo to an extent, yet have show the best signs of fade progress. Probably pissing indigo due to the over saturation on top of the fade-proof fabric. |
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Post by bentin on Jun 4, 2016 11:21:49 GMT -6
Overdyed Italian denim would be a cruel joke.
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Post by kylepa on Jun 4, 2016 12:04:40 GMT -6
As I understand it, fading does not come from the indigo rubbing off as much as the surface of the yarns, which is indigo dyed, breaking. I figured that is why the Zimbabwes are so hard to fade, the yarns being much stronger than others.
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Post by drewcandraw on Jun 4, 2016 12:22:18 GMT -6
I only have a couple of italian fabric and I don't mind that it doesn't fade especially my black workshirt lol. I kinda want it to stay jet black forever
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