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Post by stinky on May 5, 2016 12:04:30 GMT -6
Long post here, so buckle up:
Anyone here dabble in smart home stuff?
Back in the day, I had my last home set up with X1 lighting and a DIY alarm system.
I've resisted automation in my current home because a) X1 is dying protocol, and b) the last thing I want to do is pull out my phone, open an app, and scroll through menus to dim a light.
However, this all changed last weekend when I got an Echo. After realizing how simple Alexa is to use and how pretty much anything connected can be automated via voice either natively or through IFTTT, I went right out and bought a Philips Hue starter set. "Alexa, dim the living room lights to 20 percent." Done. The color bulbs are $60 each, which means that it will be about $1000 to bulb up my living room, dining room and kitchen, and I don't care because it's so cool to control the lights with your voice.
Anyhow, I currently use the large, oppressive cable company that starts with an X for my home security system, which costs $50/month, and I think that I can build a pretty decent security system with Zigbee and/or Z-Wave products for what I'm paying for a year of monitoring. No to mention the fact that the "arm with a PIN, rush out of the house before the countdown ends/Disarm with a PIN before the alarm goes off" creates an unpleasant experience when entering/leaving my home.
I've seen a couple of solutions like the Minut Point that doesn't even use door or window sensors--they know your voice, gait, and measure things like air pressure changes to determine entry and exit. I would love a solution like this, but it would be a hard sell to the wife because she thinks there should be sensors on the doors to be safe (much like she insists on keeping a landline, which only serves as a pathway into our home for telemarketers who ignore the DNC list).
So, alternatively, I'm looking at the SmartThings hub because it seems to support numerous security devices, and can be set up to arm and disarm by detecting the presence of phones and fobs. In addition, it can connect and control lots of other stuff like doorbells and sex toys.
Also, I don't think a system that is monitored by a professional call center is a must--in fact, I think it's an unnecessary obstacle to contacting the police in the event of a legit break in. The goal is to scare the shit out of someone who broke in immediately, not give them 5-10 minutes to steal stuff and leave.
I'm figuring I can set up a system where I'm notified immediately when a breach has occurred (and can contact the police myself), but meanwhile, the very second a sensor is tripped, ear piercing alarms are sounded as well as all of the lights flashing red in the entire house and garage. My alarm company calls me before they call the police, so I might as well cut out the middle man. Again, the goal is to scare a thief immediately, because the police will never (or rarely) catch them in the act. More importantly, I want to scare the crap of out of a would-be thief if we are at home and sleeping.
Anyhow, I trust (most of) you folks in SS World, and would love to hear what you guys have done to automate your home as well as DIY security before I start dumping a ton of money into hardware.
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Post by bentin on May 5, 2016 12:10:36 GMT -6
I use a Smarthings hub for lighting automation (dawn/dusk and phones arriving/departing) and a Dropcam. Service dropped for a few days a few months back and I've had to reset things a few times, but their support is phenomenal and I have yet to have any trouble with setup or the app. It's a solid product.
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Post by stinky on May 26, 2016 8:06:04 GMT -6
I know this thread didn't get much traction, but I went all-in on smartthings.
Smartthings + Hue + Alexa = infinitely configurable and incredibly reliable
I even bought a z-wave module for my garage door that senses whether it is open or closed, and will close it automatically at a pre-defined time (in my case dusk) if it is left open and let me know that it happened (there's a 5 second audible beep before closing to avoid crushing children).
I just got an ecobee3 which will be installed this weekend.
My 100yo home is no longer dumb.
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Post by bentin on May 26, 2016 8:37:12 GMT -6
One of my neighbors with a new 911 and a treadmill and free weights everywhere, leaves her garage door open 24/7. It's not like we live in the Palisades, literally her next door neighbor is a hoodrat drug dealer.
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Post by stinky on May 26, 2016 8:58:04 GMT -6
It's so easy to leave the door open accidentally, especially if a leaf trips the reversal beam (or sunlight hits it just right). You think it's closed, but it goes right back up.
In my part of the world, 99% of garages are of the detached variety, and the majority of those have overhead doors that face the alley.
In addition to that, most of the break-ins in the area target garages, not homes--people looking for tools, lawnmowers, bikes, etc. that can be easily pawned and converted to heroin.
As such, I have a motion detector in the garage and open/close sensors on both garage doors.
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Post by bentin on May 26, 2016 9:05:54 GMT -6
Absolutely. She has two beach cruisers in there too. Guess nobody wants a 43 pound single speed rust special.
My last townhome had a garage door that faced east and the morning sun would somehow fritz out the garage door and it would open when it was really hot. Good times coming home to see the door open and five figures of unlocked bikes still sitting there.
I have our interior lights set to come on when it picks up my wife's phone. She gets confused when she goes to a hotel or friend's house and the lights don't turn on just because she showed up.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 9:38:16 GMT -6
I know this thread didn't get much traction, but I went all-in on smartthings. Smartthings + Hue + Alexa = infinitely configurable and incredibly reliable I even bought a z-wave module for my garage door that senses whether it is open or closed, and will close it automatically at a pre-defined time (in my case dusk) if it is left open and let me know that it happened (there's a 5 second audible beep before closing to avoid crushing children). I just got an ecobee3 which will be installed this weekend. My 100yo home is no longer dumb. Out of curiosity what's a ball park number for something like this?
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Post by stinky on May 26, 2016 10:07:01 GMT -6
It depends on what you want to do--you can find yourself in a rabbit hole pretty fast (much like buying jeans).
The ST starter kit is $250 (but everything smartthings is on sale 20% off through June 4).
Smart LED bulbs range from $15-$60 each, depending on features, color rendering, etc. (note that Hue lights don't like sub-freezing weather, use GE Link bulbs for outdoor locations) If your are someone who likes the orange glow of an incandescent bulb when dimmed, you have to get bulbs that can do multiple temperatures, like the Hue Color ($60), or the new Hue White Ambience ($30). The $15 bulbs only provide dim 2700K light.
Various sensors and switches (motion, open/close, leak, presence, AC on/off/dim switches) are $30-$60 each. Echo is $180. The whole family loves Alexa.
Nest/Ecobee thermostats are $200-$250 (Check with your electricity provider--they may reimburse some of this--ComEd in IL pays $100 of the cost).
I'm paying nearly $700/year with tax for security monitoring, so I don't necessarily mind dumping some dough into it, given that most of the sensors are universal and will work with pretty much any automation/security hub. Some of my Comcast equipment could be repurposed, and some of it is proprietary.
All told, I'll probably have $500-$1000 in light bulbs and another $500 in sensors, etc.
If you are familiar with IFTTT, you can automate a lot of background stuff, especially arming and disarming--we use a product called life360, and through IFTTT, the security system gets armed when the last person leaves the house and disarmed when the first person arrives. No more stupid rushing in and out of the house and entering pins.
The cool thing is that ZWave and ZigBee work on mesh technology, meaning that the sensors on AC power also act as repeaters, so even if a sensor is far away from the hub, it can connect by making a hop through other equipment. Hue bulbs also work the same way, which really extends the range.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 10:47:54 GMT -6
^ thanks for the info!
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Post by benjaminpersitz on May 26, 2016 10:53:56 GMT -6
Man I just don't want that much digital stuff in my house. Digital door locks and a dropcam are about all I've considered. Anything else is too hackable or subject to failure for me to want to spend money on it.
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Post by bentin on May 26, 2016 11:19:17 GMT -6
Man I just don't want that much digital stuff in my house. Digital door locks and a dropcam are about all I've considered. Anything else is too hackable or subject to failure for me to want to spend money on it. You're worried about someone turning your lights on or off, but not unlocking your door or viewing your webcam? Mmkay.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 11:43:26 GMT -6
It's so easy to leave the door open accidentally, especially if a leaf trips the reversal beam (or sunlight hits it just right). You think it's closed, but it goes right back up. In my part of the world, 99% of garages are of the detached variety, and the majority of those have overhead doors that face the alley. In addition to that, most of the break-ins in the area target garages, not homes--people looking for tools, lawnmowers, bikes, etc. that can be easily pawned and converted to heroin. As such, I have a motion detector in the garage and open/close sensors on both garage doors. I should definitely look into setting up our garage. I've found it left open multiple mornings by someone who likes to keep an opener loose in her massive bag of randomness...pressing the button all too often when said bag gets jostled the right way.
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Post by benjaminpersitz on May 26, 2016 12:01:07 GMT -6
Man I just don't want that much digital stuff in my house. Digital door locks and a dropcam are about all I've considered. Anything else is too hackable or subject to failure for me to want to spend money on it. You're worried about someone turning your lights on or off, but not unlocking your door or viewing your webcam? Mmkay. I'm absolutely worried about those things too, which is why I haven't done either one. The webcam would be for the porch, so someone wants to look at that more power to them. I tend to be a crotchety old man when it comes to stuff like this. My dryer is an old Speed Queen with no fancy features. Just more shit to break. LOL
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Post by stinky on May 26, 2016 12:52:54 GMT -6
Pretty much any security system you get from any security firm (ADT, Xfinity, Brinks, etc.) is IP enabled and uses exactly the same communications protocols, the same equipment, and thus is just as prone to hacking.
Anybody who is going to break in to my house is going to smash the window or kick in the door and grab as much shit as possible in 120 seconds--they're not going to sit outside on a laptop and try to hack into the ZigBee grid first, though.
Strong passwords, a good firewall, and sensible application of equipment (don't point web cams at the bed or the shower) are the key.
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Post by exophobe on May 26, 2016 15:00:29 GMT -6
You're worried about someone turning your lights on or off, but not unlocking your door or viewing your webcam? Mmkay. I'm absolutely worried about those things too, which is why I haven't done either one. The webcam would be for the porch, so someone wants to look at that more power to them. I tend to be a crotchety old man when it comes to stuff like this. My dryer is an old Speed Queen with no fancy features. Just more shit to break. LOL i have a Ring doorbell installed. It's out on an island basically, but it'll save recording of people on your porch and shit, without giving the Internet free reign of your door locks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 12:23:13 GMT -6
stinky (or anyone else with an opinion on the matter), any updates on how this system has worked for you over the last 6-7 months? any things you'd do differently? i was gifted a google home for christmas and initially considered returning it...but will probably keep it it for some of the uses above.
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Post by stinky on Dec 28, 2016 13:50:52 GMT -6
stinky (or anyone else with an opinion on the matter), any updates on how this system has worked for you over the last 6-7 months? any things you'd do differently? i was gifted a google home for christmas and initially considered returning it...but will probably keep it it for some of the uses above. I went a little nuts. I've replaced most of the bulbs in my house with Hue bulbs, and continue to replace a bulb or two here and there as I find them on sale. I like the ST sensors because they all have removable covers that can be painted to match decor/blend in with the environment. I have set up a ton of Smartthings sensors/motion detectors on things to do various things beyond security. For example: 1. I have an open/close sensor on my liquor cabinet that will send my wife and me a text message if tripped and both of our cell phones are not in the house (i.e.: we're gone, babysitter, kids, or kids' stupid buddies open the cabinet). 2. Motion detector at top of stairs that turns the stairwell light on at 80% for 1.5 minutes during normal waking hours and 10% for 30 seconds during normal sleeping hours. 3. Vibration detector on washing machine that lets me know when the load is done (may sound silly, but our basement is fairly soundproof, so this is nice). Same thing on dryer. 4. Open/close sensor in mailbox that lets me know when mail is delivered. Also doubles as an external temperature sensor. 5. Full Blue Iris integration with our video cameras, so that when the alarm system is activated in different ways, it will trigger scenes that send me pictures and video when motion is detected. For example, when the alarm is activated but we are home, it will only monitor and email clips for the cameras outside, but when we are gone, it will do it for all security cameras, both internal and external. When UPS drops a package off on my porch, i'll get an email, and if someone steals it, i'll get another email. 6. External lights turn on 15 minutes before dusk and go off 15 minutes after dawn (Note: you can't use the Hue lights in freezing temps, you have to use the GE Link bulbs which are Hue compatible). 7. If it is dark outside when the first person arrives home, interior lights will come on as soon as you enter the home area (i think it's a 500ft radius). 8. Motion sensor inside an opaque jar that arms the alarm and turns off all the lights when you open the jar during a certain time period at night (go to bed), and disarms it if opened in the morning (makes it easy to arm/disarm when you are home--huge for the WAF). 9. Ecobee is great becasue it has remote sensors--i have it set to keep the common areas of our home a certain temp during the day, but monitor the bedroom temps at night--->this is an awesome thing for those of us with old houses. 10. also with ecobee, i have it set to save energy during the day on weekdays when everyone is gone, but if it detects that someone is home, it will maintain temps at comfortable levels. I love my setup and i'm always adding/tweaking functionality as time goes by. Alexa, motion sensors, and cell phone presence sensors make usage seamless and intuitive provided you take the time to set up modes and routines on ST. What would I do differently? Two things: 1. I bought a couple of the Smartthings presence sensors, and they absolutely suck. Bad battery life and the internal components break when you change the battery. Avoid at all costs. 2. The first 2 generations of Smartthings motion sensors suck. They freeze up and you have to pull the battery and reinstall to make them work--eventually they stop working and ST will replace under warranty with the current generation. Either make sure you get the current gen ST motion sensors, or even better, the Ecolink PIR sensors.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 14:08:04 GMT -6
stinky thanks for the detailed response. glad to hear that it's working well and possibly adding a bit of hobbyist value as well. i may hit you up for some additional details if i sell the SO on going down this path. she has more privacy concerns than i tend to have, which may be a bit of an obstacle
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Post by stinky on Dec 28, 2016 14:28:52 GMT -6
stinky thanks for the detailed response. glad to hear that it's working well and possibly adding a bit of hobbyist value as well. i may hit you up for some additional details if i sell the SO on going down this path. she has more privacy concerns than i tend to have, which may be a bit of an obstacle FTR, I'm not a tin-foil hat conspiracy theorist, but there are SO many more privacy issues revolving around the government (and others) supposedly being able to turn on and monitor the cameras/microphone/gps on your phone than this poses.
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