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Post by devastitis on Aug 31, 2016 21:37:44 GMT -6
But they're not essential. You can get flannels from other brands, MiUSA/MiC/MiJ/MiP/etc. Granted quality won't be the same, but there are many alternatives that the public is aware of. Yes, I typed "essential" with irony. These seem like nice shirts but not for the price, IMO. They can charge whatever they want, obviously, I would rather get a coat or a jacket for that price and still have some to left to spare. Do you own any UHFs? |
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Post by ickes on Aug 31, 2016 22:26:57 GMT -6
But they're not essential. You can get flannels from other brands, MiUSA/MiC/MiJ/MiP/etc. Granted quality won't be the same, but there are many alternatives that the public is aware of. Yes, I typed "essential" with irony. These seem like nice shirts but not for the price, IMO. They can charge whatever they want, obviously, I would rather get a coat or a jacket for that price and still have some to left to spare. Here's the thing with the UHF's though, and I feel like a broken record sometimes saying this, but they pretty much are coats. I'm not defending this 350 price tag by any means, that's pretty much way too high for me and I'm a guy that loves the UHF's. |
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Post by gsg on Sept 1, 2016 9:38:02 GMT -6
Yes, I typed "essential" with irony. These seem like nice shirts but not for the price, IMO. They can charge whatever they want, obviously, I would rather get a coat or a jacket for that price and still have some to left to spare. Do you own any UHFs? Why would that be a factor? Would it invalidate my opinion were I not to own any UHFs? The fact here is that UHFs can be bought via Japan for $200 shipped to your door (that’s including already IH’s and the online-retailer’s mark-up). Purchasing this IH UK exclusive ombre pattern at $345 entails a 72% upcharge from Japanese retail, which IH UK has explained multiple times is justified to protect its retail channel in the West. I live nowhere close to any of the few brick & mortar locations selling IH in the US so this is of no benefit to me and am stuck in this case buying online, hence preferring better priced alternatives overseas.
To your question, and keep in mind I am at no point debating the quality of the garment, I do not own any UHFs but I know what they sell for abroad. I do own however one other IH item bought at ~2x the price of an UHF through its US retailer (top-ticket item in my denim wardrobe for what is worth). Do I like my IH garment? You bet! Would I buy again through the US retailer given I am better informed these days (in part thanks to this forum) at the relative value of these things? Hell no, that's my point!
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Post by bentin on Sept 1, 2016 9:54:35 GMT -6
Oh, gsg, get out of here with your logic and maths. |
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Post by gaseousclay on Sept 1, 2016 12:30:21 GMT -6
Jesus. If that's where the crazy checks land in price country, it'll be nice to see other peoples pictures of them. I'm straight out of the iron heart game at $300, let alone $350. i'm out as well. Been wanting an IH flannel but I won't go above $200. |
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Post by northcoast on Sept 1, 2016 13:49:50 GMT -6
Oh, gsg , get out of here with your logic and maths. I really wanted to downvote this but found out I couldn't. |
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Post by bentin on Sept 1, 2016 14:21:40 GMT -6
Oh, gsg , get out of here with your logic and maths. I really wanted to downvote this but found out I couldn't. Haha. I accept your scorn and will be back in a few months to stir the pot some more. |
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Post by northcoast on Sept 1, 2016 14:51:06 GMT -6
I really wanted to downvote this but found out I couldn't. Haha. I accept your scorn and will be back in a few months to stir the pot some more. Oh man. I wanted to downvote it because I wanted him to NOT get out of here, I wanted him to stay! |
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Post by bentin on Sept 1, 2016 14:53:58 GMT -6
Haha. I accept your scorn and will be back in a few months to stir the pot some more. Oh man. I wanted to downvote it because I wanted him to NOT get out of here, I wanted him to stay! But logical arguments have no place in this forum, especially if you haven't paid $300+ for a $200 shirt. |
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Post by davelewis on Sept 1, 2016 15:44:29 GMT -6
It really comes down to what the market will bear. If they sell out quickly, then you could say they were priced correctly, and visa versa. I'm not one that get embarrassed easily, or at all for that matter, but I think it could happen if I told my wife I spent that much for a flannel shirt.
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Post by devastitis on Sept 1, 2016 17:23:01 GMT -6
Jesus. If that's where the crazy checks land in price country, it'll be nice to see other peoples pictures of them. I'm straight out of the iron heart game at $300, let alone $350. I'm out as well. Been wanting an IH flannel but I won't go above $200. You're going to be out of luck then, Japan or IHUK, due to the exchange rate. |
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Post by devastitis on Sept 1, 2016 17:28:56 GMT -6
Why would that be a factor? Would it invalidate my opinion were I not to own any UHFs? The fact here is that UHFs can be bought via Japan for $200 shipped to your door (that’s including already IH’s and the online-retailer’s mark-up). Purchasing this IH UK exclusive ombre pattern at $345 entails a 72% upcharge from Japanese retail, which IH UK has explained multiple times is justified to protect its retail channel in the West. I live nowhere close to any of the few brick & mortar locations selling IH in the US so this is of no benefit to me and am stuck in this case buying online, hence preferring better priced alternatives overseas.
To your question, and keep in mind I am at no point debating the quality of the garment, I do not own any UHFs but I know what they sell for abroad. I do own however one other IH item bought at ~2x the price of an UHF through its US retailer (top-ticket item in my denim wardrobe for what is worth). Do I like my IH garment? You bet! Would I buy again through the US retailer given I am better informed these days (in part thanks to this forum) at the relative value of these things? Hell no, that's my point!
Eh, it does have a factor. Sure math wise you may see it as a huge bump, but you can't compare products available to purchase in Japan to products available to Giles and his network only. A colorway can be worth the difference in price. Looking at the foreign exchange rate as of right now, if the purple ombre was available in Japan, it'd cost you $210 + shipping, which is about $20-25. So it's still only about a $110 difference. But since the purple ombre is Giles exclusive, you have to consider if the purple colorway is worth the extra amount. And for people who own ultra heavy flannels, it could very may well be. For those who don't and haven't ever, of course it isn't. I didn't understand people like ickes or @untucked who were paying that much for IH gear, and since I never owned one, I didn't think they were worth it. But now that I do, I own several, I think they're worth at least the $305 if the colorway isn't available to buy in Japan. The extra $40 is relative. |
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Post by devastitis on Sept 1, 2016 17:36:39 GMT -6
Oh man. I wanted to downvote it because I wanted him to NOT get out of here, I wanted him to stay! But logical arguments have no place in this forum, especially if you haven't paid $300+ for a $200 shirt. They aren't a $200 shirt if they aren't available to purchase at $200. It doesn't matter what other colorways go for, it's not a $200 shirt if you can't buy it for $200 elsewhere. |
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Post by bentin on Sept 1, 2016 18:04:34 GMT -6
But logical arguments have no place in this forum, especially if you haven't paid $300+ for a $200 shirt. They aren't a $200 shirt if they aren't available to purchase at $200. It doesn't matter what other colorways go for, it's not a $200 shirt if you can't buy it for $200 elsewhere. You can tell yourself that. I'll keep believing that they're identical shirts. Especially when JP sells the exact same thing for $210 that the other guy sells for $345. EXACT SAME THING. Exclusive colorways being $345 and worldwide available things being, say $250, would be one thing, but that's not what reality is. |
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Post by devastitis on Sept 1, 2016 18:35:43 GMT -6
They aren't a $200 shirt if they aren't available to purchase at $200. It doesn't matter what other colorways go for, it's not a $200 shirt if you can't buy it for $200 elsewhere. You can tell yourself that. I'll keep believing that they're identical shirts. Especially when JP sells the exact same thing for $210 that the other guy sells for $345. EXACT SAME THING. Exclusive colorways being $345 and worldwide available things being, say $250, would be one thing, but that's not what reality is. Until the IHSH-127s are released again, the difference will be $305 vs ~ $235 (due to shipping, unless you get free shipping in which case I'd like to know how) for the shirts available in both markets. But that's besides the point. My Cookie Monster shirt isn't a $235 shirt either (though I did buy it for about that much  . I was very willing to pay $305 for it since it's not available anywhere else in that material and that quality, and it was something I wanted for months (definitely worth it by the way). So maybe it's the same case for the purple ombre with other people. Price went up $40 for IHUK items, but the price went up in Japan as well, so I don't know. It's not that far off from what you are stating. $345 vs $250 isn't that different from $345 vs $235. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 19:08:12 GMT -6
Are we going back to the dark place again???
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Post by ickes on Sept 1, 2016 19:37:42 GMT -6
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Post by ickes on Sept 1, 2016 19:39:15 GMT -6
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Post by bentin on Sept 1, 2016 19:48:27 GMT -6
Are we going back to the dark place again??? Meh, even I'm bored of it. Back outta here...  |
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Post by gsg on Sept 1, 2016 19:58:48 GMT -6
Yes, please excuse the derail, let's get back to the regular programming  |
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Post by northcoast on Sept 1, 2016 21:31:04 GMT -6
Oh I love talking about the law of diminishing returns.
I've seen other places where it kicks in faster (audiophilia) but this is still fun.
I'm cheering for the guy who can source quality heavy flannel fabric and sew it well and sell it for less. I want cheaper quality flannels with nice fabrics!
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Post by northcoast on Sept 1, 2016 21:34:13 GMT -6
Are we going back to the dark place again??? Meh, even I'm bored of it. Back outta here... Yeah I got all excited when I found out they made shirts in my size but the thrill is gone now with the new pricing. |
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Post by exophobe on Sept 1, 2016 22:13:10 GMT -6
Are we going back to the dark place again??? Perhaps. I bear no ill will towards those that can swing it, I'm just in no position to throw a car payment at something I'll wear once a week or so. If I was living debt free then I'd be all about the $400 shirts. As it is today, I'd rather make an extra principle payment against my car. I really do hope to see the pictures of them, though. Especially those uhf near-macro shots. |
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Post by jamesr on Sept 2, 2016 4:59:11 GMT -6
It's been said but I feel it bears repeating - if IHUK prices a shirt at $8000 and they sell out, then the buyers have validated the pricing. Nobody is being forced to buy anything. Of course, the price is too much for me so, personally, it sucks. @untucked, that shirt looks really cool. IHUK only?  |
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. I was very willing to pay $305 for it since it's not available anywhere else in that material and that quality, and it was something I wanted for months (definitely worth it by the way). So maybe it's the same case for the purple ombre with other people. 
