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Post by pevil on Dec 28, 2015 14:07:27 GMT -6
I went to that other thread wanting to discuss Star Wars:TFA but it was nothing but people holding their tongue for fear of spoiling it for someone else. I get it, but it's been out almost 2 weeks now, and if someone visits this thread with the title I have, I say it's their own damn fault. SO LET'S TALK STAR WARS!!!!
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Post by DigDug on Dec 28, 2015 14:12:52 GMT -6
I Disliked it! Can't believe Real Movie Buffs and True Star Wars fans like it. I don't go to many movies (couple times a year) but when I do, I want it to entertain me whether that be with Special Effects, Great Acting, Good Plot, Good Story telling. This had None of those!
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Post by exophobe on Dec 28, 2015 16:34:13 GMT -6
I Disliked it! Can't believe Real Movie Buffs and True Star Wars fans like it. I don't go to many movies (couple times a year) but when I do, I want it to entertain me whether that be with Special Effects, Great Acting, Good Plot, Good Story telling. This had None of those! ... are you sure you didn't sneak in to Point Break? I seriously can't tell if you're trolling with this. Subjectively I could see your argument with the acting, or the plot, or maybe with the way the story is being told, but if you're saying it didn't even have good special effects I think you're yanking my chain.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 16:57:55 GMT -6
i'd echo exophobe's comments. i can see someone not liking it, especially those who weren't previously fans...but can't see someone thinking the effects were bad. i definitely have a few critiques of the film, but thought it was really solid overall. tonally it was a perfect bridge between the original and new trilogies.
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Post by exophobe on Dec 28, 2015 17:02:51 GMT -6
i'd echo exophobe 's comments. i can see someone not liking it, especially those who weren't previously fans...but can't see someone thinking the effects were bad. i definitely have a few critiques of the film, but thought it was really solid overall. tonally it was a perfect bridge between the original and new trilogies. There are some parts that I wish weren't done as conveniently as they were, and many of the articles about plot holes complain that part one of a trilogy isn't a completely self-contained story rather than identifying plot holes. Now, my thoughts on all of this will change significantly if I come out of episode viii finding that they remade Empire.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 17:07:41 GMT -6
There are some parts that I wish weren't done as conveniently as they were, and many of the articles about plot holes complain that part one of a trilogy isn't a completely self-contained story rather than identifying plot holes. Now, my thoughts on all of this will change significantly if I come out of episode viii finding that they remade Empire. The convenient/tidy bits were one of my issues. The 'too close to IV' was another. I also found the Han/Leia scene lighter on emotional impact than I had expected.
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Post by DigDug on Dec 28, 2015 17:10:01 GMT -6
I Disliked it! Can't believe Real Movie Buffs and True Star Wars fans like it. I don't go to many movies (couple times a year) but when I do, I want it to entertain me whether that be with Special Effects, Great Acting, Good Plot, Good Story telling. This had None of those! ... are you sure you didn't sneak in to Point Break? I seriously can't tell if you're trolling with this. Subjectively I could see your argument with the acting, or the plot, or maybe with the way the story is being told, but if you're saying it didn't even have good special effects I think you're yanking my chain. No Not Trolling. In full disclosure, I had the worst seats. Front row far side. So that may account for what I thought was Meh effects. I just don't see why fans are ok with it.? What about it was GREAT! If Fans (movie or Star War fans) said it was Ok I'd be ok with that. But 1Billion in sales!!! I have 3 main complaints. 1- why is there a Resistances? Are they working for the Senate? Why is Leia leading resistance Many years later? 2- when BB8 is what I consider the Best actor, there's a problem (ok, Rey was good and carried the film for me). 3- Why was there a need to Recycle so many Scene's? If your going to do that they better be Better then the original. Really not trying to troll. I just find this interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 17:28:31 GMT -6
... are you sure you didn't sneak in to Point Break? I seriously can't tell if you're trolling with this. Subjectively I could see your argument with the acting, or the plot, or maybe with the way the story is being told, but if you're saying it didn't even have good special effects I think you're yanking my chain. No Not Trolling. In full disclosure, I had the worst seats. Front row far side. So that may account for what I thought was Meh effects. I just don't see why fans are ok with it.? What about it was GREAT! If Fans (movie or Star War fans) said it was Ok I'd be ok with that. But 1Billion in sales!!! I have 3 main complaints. 1- why is there a Resistances? Are they working for the Senate? Why is Leia leading resistance Many years later? 2- when BB8 is what I consider the Best actor, there's a problem (ok, Rey was good and carried the film for me). 3- Why was there a need to Recycle so many Scene's? If your going to do that they better be Better then the original. Really not trying to troll. I just find this interesting. I do think it will be interesting to see how perception shifts over time. ep i-iii were such a disappointment that I think a lot of reaction here is relief that it wasn't another disappointment of that scale. In terms of sales...that is partially momentum and press. You had a guaranteed fan base as well as just a behemoth of a franchise that was guaranteed big numbers. You also can't turn around without hearing, reading, seeing something about the film which drives more people to see it. I don't often see films twice, but will likely see this and am curious how my opinion changes, if at all.
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Post by exophobe on Dec 28, 2015 17:37:17 GMT -6
No Not Trolling. In full disclosure, I had the worst seats. Front row far side. So that may account for what I thought was Meh effects. I just don't see why fans are ok with it.? What about it was GREAT! If Fans (movie or Star War fans) said it was Ok I'd be ok with that. But 1Billion in sales!!! I have 3 main complaints. 1- why is there a Resistances? Are they working for the Senate? Why is Leia leading resistance Many years later? 2- when BB8 is what I consider the Best actor, there's a problem (ok, Rey was good and carried the film for me). 3- Why was there a need to Recycle so many Scene's? If your going to do that they better be Better then the original. Really not trying to troll. I just find this interesting. So one of the best surprises for me was how they played up Finn with the lightsaber in the trailers (I didn't watch anything after the teaser and first official trailer, though, so if marketing spoiled that one for you I'm sorry) and then it ended up being Rey in the final battle. I thought the principles (short Oscar Isaac, oddly, and Boyega) were excellent, and I'm looking forward to seeing Kylo and Rey develop as characters, which makes me more than happy with the first of a trilogy. 1. This is a solid point brought up in many places. I think this is something we'll see developed in the next movie, because it's clear a lot has happened in 30 years. It seems that they salvaged the remainders of the imperial army after they got bested by teddy bears, and for a while this would seem to have been fine, they were protecting the interests of the Senate or whatever, and then Ben defects from Luke and The First Order pops up to continue where the Emperor and Vader left off, at which point I would guess a new resistance was formed. Why this would come to be Leia's responsibility, I don't know, though I've read somewhere that she went from Princess to Senator, which would have put her in a position of leadership just like her adopted father. 2. Given how early in her career this movie is occurring, Daisy Ridley was exceptional in this movie, and I think Adam Driver did a great job for what screen-time he had out of the mask. I mentioned Isaac and Boyega above, though I did appreciate the "more-fun" tone of Finn. I don't think anyone was terrible, Domhnall Gleason was great, Andy Serkis was Gollum, Ford put in a better performance than he's done in years, Fisher was a bit stilted but she also looked like she was hurt when she was walking around. Chewbacca got the best role he's had since Empire, though it's hard to call something good acting when there aren't facial expressions involved. BB-8 was really well done, Abrams finally got his Bad Robot on screen. 3. This is my main complaint. As I said, if VIII recycles Empire, then it will change this opinion, but here's why there are so many thematic repeats, in my opinion: This is the first part of a trilogy, that is itself one part of a trilogy of trilogies (though there are rumors that Disney is ignoring 1-3, but Abrams got Ewan McGregor to do a little bit of voice acting). Since this is the story of a family, basically, you see that history has a tendency to repeat itself, and the depth of a character arc comes from their ability to change the mistakes of the past, which opens up a sort of shorthand for the filmmaker to work with. It's like any complaint people have about seeing Bruce Wayne's parents die on-screen every time they change the damn actor playing Batman. By doing this, they have established how the new characters work into the existing mythos without having to tell their full backstory (which Disney is fully prepared and working on doing) within the context of the main film. So essentially, I believe it to be a storytelling device rather than absolute laziness. With this movie they had to re-establish what Star Wars is as a brand, make something that would top $1bn at the box office (Abrams only had to wait 12 days to breathe), and also attempt to establish enough content to fill at least two additional films with an interesting character arc for the new characters. This is why I'm happy with it, which far outweighs my complaints with death star 3.0 or any of the other potentially derivative parts. I fully believe that this captures the magic of the original films, without the need to play it exceptionally dark like most movies these days. It fits very well with the tone coming off of Return of the Jedi, and is more exciting than the entirety of Episodes I and II before they even start up the engines on the Millennium Falcon. Hopefully that helps you see how I, as a moderate Star Wars fan (movies only, I wouldn't even say I've really played the extended universe games, let alone read books or comics, etc), reconcile The Force Awakens.
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Post by exophobe on Dec 28, 2015 17:38:26 GMT -6
Somewhat in response to @david 's point, I'm planning on checking it out again (after seeing the madhouse today it's gonna be a while) to see if it's just relief that it wasn't terrible or if it holds up for reals. That said, I did like it just as much the second time as I did the first.
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Post by DigDug on Dec 28, 2015 17:55:06 GMT -6
exophobe Thanks! Much of that makes sense.
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Post by variable on Dec 29, 2015 7:13:54 GMT -6
Thankfully, this movie failed to have a Jar-Jar, so there wasn't a character that I hated from the beginning. The effects were what I would expect from a big-budget film. I don't remember anything pulling me out of the story, other than some of the dialog being a bit too contemporary for something set "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away" (see: Finn and the head nod from Solo). I worry that with Disney at the helm, we're going to see a lot more "formula" in the script (oh, it's been twelve minutes, time for a joke!).
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Post by matt on Dec 29, 2015 9:56:25 GMT -6
I had the opportunity to see it twice (opening night and this past weekend). The time between shows enabled me to process and figure out what questions I had. Seeing it a second time actually enabled me to follow the story a little more closely. I think the first showing was a combination of information overload and iffy seats (front row, far right). I feel like there are still plot holes, but I think a lot of it had to do with how the final film was cut (and what was edited out). I think it could have easily gone another 30 minutes to show a little more storyline development (for example: I think another flashback of Rey experiencing the force may have helped validate the Jedi mind trick on Daniel Craig's stormtrooper when she was captured).
I realize that the repeat of certain plot moments (Kylo showing the internal turmoil, the destruction of the Starkiller base in one movie) leads me to believe we will have a lot of new twists and turns in the next 2 offerings.
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