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Post by brentkuz on Dec 17, 2015 18:44:09 GMT -6
I moved on when I found better fits. True slim straights like the Iron Heart 633 and samurai 710xx.
Gustin was a little low rise and tight for me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 18:58:08 GMT -6
The conversation I fear when I'm out goes like this
Person: Nice shirt/jeans/boots/jacket/vest! Where did you get them/it?
Me: Online from ***.com
Person: Okay, how much was it/were they?
THAT is where everything goes south, lol
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Post by brentkuz on Dec 17, 2015 19:04:12 GMT -6
The conversation I fear when I'm out goes like this Person: Nice shirt/jeans/boots/jacket/vest! Where did you get them/it? Me: Online from ***.com Person: Okay, how much was it/were they? THAT is where everything goes south, lol Thankfully I just get the "Nice shirt" comment or what have you and it stops there. Oh this old thing! Jeesh......yeah it was $300... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 19:49:05 GMT -6
It's hard enough to explain a $200 pair of jeans, but there is just NO casual way to tell someone how much a pair of Role Club boots cost... It's IMPOSSIBLE.
I'm going to start saying I thrifted them for $80.
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Post by jray on Dec 17, 2015 20:18:38 GMT -6
@untucked - when they ask the price, just say it's priceless to look this good!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 20:20:43 GMT -6
I'm already "That one guy who is always dressed super nice, even if he's only wandering the streets drunk"... I don't want to be "That one DOUCHEBAG who is always dressed nice, even if he's only wandering the streets drunk", lol
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Post by brentkuz on Dec 17, 2015 20:35:57 GMT -6
It's hard enough to explain a $200 pair of jeans, but there is just NO casual way to tell someone how much a pair of Role Club boots cost... It's IMPOSSIBLE. I'm going to start saying I thrifted them for $80. I will say the best way at getting people to understand some more expensive items is how long they last and how it's better to buy a good pair of boots than some crappy ones. I will say my $100 timberland boots lasted a decade. |
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Post by gaseousclay on Dec 17, 2015 21:13:24 GMT -6
It's hard enough to explain a $200 pair of jeans, but there is just NO casual way to tell someone how much a pair of Role Club boots cost... It's IMPOSSIBLE. I'm going to start saying I thrifted them for $80. Avoid the Ask Andy forum at all costs. The anti-denim snobs would have a field day mocking your $200 jeans whilst adjusting their monocles and ironing the pleats in their khakis |
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Post by gaseousclay on Dec 17, 2015 22:07:24 GMT -6
It's hard enough to explain a $200 pair of jeans, but there is just NO casual way to tell someone how much a pair of Role Club boots cost... It's IMPOSSIBLE. I'm going to start saying I thrifted them for $80. I will say the best way at getting people to understand some more expensive items is how long they last and how it's better to buy a good pair of boots than some crappy ones. I will say my $100 timberland boots lasted a decade. I still don't think most people would care when you mention longevity, and that's only because we live in a disposable society. Heck, if i could find a company that could recraft my sneakers I'd have no need to buy more. But if you were to mention 'recraftable' shoes to someone they'd probably give you the deer in the headlights look. Someone could also make an argument against expensive denim. It doesn't necessarily last longer than cheap denim right? So why would a consumer spend 3 to 4 times the price for something that will wear and tear in a year or two? For most of us here it's about valuing quality, but we've all gradually outgrown certain brands in favor of others because if the perceived increase in quality. But we also want bang for our buck. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 22:54:46 GMT -6
The very few times someone has asked "how much". I never give a number. Ill say , not too much, I got a good price, etc. if they are serious they can find out on their own. Most people know that it's gauche to ask what one pays for things.
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Post by efrenlopez on Dec 18, 2015 2:30:05 GMT -6
I like Gustin, but their sizing doesn't go with my body type. I mean I can wear a Classic XL shirt from them, and I have a few, but the fit isn't optimal. I'm actually a daily Chino wearer, but since they do not carry a size 37 in Chinos I can't buy those. I don't wear Jeans. I love trucker jackets, but I am not a huge fan of waxed cotton so that narrows it down for me.
However I do like their belts (I have 3), and I am waiting to see the reviews on their boots. I always wait for after the first wave to try something. I may take a plunge on their boots if people seem satisfied with them.
I have no use for their sneakers because I'm a loyal Greatsbrand customer.
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Post by efrenlopez on Dec 18, 2015 2:31:59 GMT -6
Oh, and if somebody asks me how much I bought something for, I usually just give this coy smile and say, "Well 'I' got them for pretty cheap" and that pretty much ends the conversation.
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Post by oatwilly on Dec 18, 2015 8:06:31 GMT -6
The only person that asks what I paid for something is my wife
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Post by kylepa on Dec 23, 2015 17:34:29 GMT -6
I wouldn't say I moved on from Gustin but I'm really only interested in a few things from them now. When something really interesting hits (like the Japan 21s or indigo jacquard work shirt) I'll still jump even if I don't really need it. But since I can only wear jeans 3 times per week, my Zimbabwe 15s, Japan 21s and downtown Browns will last me years. I still love their chinos and would grab more if they came out with fabrics I want (like wool, why haven't they done this??) but Taylor Stitch Telegraphs fit that spot. I have a few oxfords from G which are ok but I'm over button down collars so again, going to TS for their Hyde and California shirts.
I will still buy heavy indigo t shirts and natural high tops if they come back and maybe socks if they get better styles.
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Post by drstrange on Dec 24, 2015 6:27:40 GMT -6
I'm not going to elaborate on this too much but yeah I've moved away from Gustin (for the most part) to higher quality brands. To sum it up I've just become a more educated consumer and have found other brands that are more my style and produce a much higher quality product. having taken part in the LD disaster (CC refund didn't work out, as it would have cost me money initially with unclear outcome, and my rule is not throwing good money after bad money) and being stuffed with pants for the moment anyway, my purchasing was limited and the personal "new rule" is one pair every year .... what I'm interested in ( ickes or anyone else): If you say "much higher quality product", what exactly do you mean by that? I have little to compare with (in the denim sector). The denim I currently have in my closet is (ranked by personal quality feeling from low to high): standard Levi's (not the "crafted" stuff or "vintage"), something called "Les Copains", 7 For All Mankind (which, according to the wife and other ladies, look cool but don't feel great) and Gustin. Gustin's are far above all the rest, but they are the only things raw. Again up to recent I was rather the Chino (summer) - Cords (fall/winter) guy (apart of more formal wool pants or even suits). Once some of my old chinos get thorn or worn out I would like to purchase a pair of Gustin's to see how they compare with my top notch italian pants (which are far above the "standard" chinos from Boss or Viyella). |
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Post by DigDug on Dec 24, 2015 8:18:23 GMT -6
I'm not going to elaborate on this too much but yeah I've moved away from Gustin (for the most part) to higher quality brands. To sum it up I've just become a more educated consumer and have found other brands that are more my style and produce a much higher quality product. having taken part in the LD disaster (CC refund didn't work out, as it would have cost me money initially with unclear outcome, and my rule is not throwing good money after bad money) and being stuffed with pants for the moment anyway, my purchasing was limited and the personal "new rule" is one pair every year .... what I'm interested in ( ickes or anyone else): If you say "much higher quality product", what exactly do you mean by that? I have little to compare with (in the denim sector). The denim I currently have in my closet is (ranked by personal quality feeling from low to high): standard Levi's (not the "crafted" stuff or "vintage"), something called "Les Copains", 7 For All Mankind (which, according to the wife and other ladies, look cool but don't feel great) and Gustin. Gustin's are far above all the rest, but they are the only things raw. Again up to recent I was rather the Chino (summer) - Cords (fall/winter) guy (apart of more formal wool pants or even suits). Once some of my old chinos get thorn or worn out I would like to purchase a pair of Gustin's to see how they compare with my top notch italian pants (which are far above the "standard" chinos from Boss or Viyella). Like going from a Honda to a BMW. Both good vehicles. The Honda is better then let's say a Kia (Gustin is better then Levis but not a BMW) Does someone "Need" a BMW, no, more of a want. What is it that makes a BMW better and cost more, better quality/Design/engineering and let's face it a bit more exclusive. Is it worth spending $300 on a pair of jeans for those reasons? Only you can say. I haven't on a pair of jeans but I have on a couple of shirts. |
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Post by bruns on Dec 24, 2015 8:39:44 GMT -6
Like going from a Honda to a BMW. Both good vehicles. The Honda is better then let's say a Kia (Gustin is better then Levis but not a BMW) Does someone "Need" a BMW, no, more of a want. What is it that makes a BMW better and cost more, better quality/ Design/engineering and let's face it a bit more exclusive. Is it worth spending $300 on a pair of jeans for those reasons? Only you can say. I haven't on a pair of jeans but I have on a couple of shirts. DESIGN. I think that's a bigger thing than people are making out. I don't have any stupidly high end denim (Oni is the most expensive I have), but for the most part the higher end brands have far nicer details; little things that set them apart. But if we're going to be honest, are they really worth the $300 or whatever the asking price may be? Not in the slightest! It's an incredibly niche market; many of the people who buy this kind of product are 'collectors' (for want of a better term). The more unique the product, the higher the asking price. Don't get me wrong I'm a sucker for it too, but I have to sit and wonder why sometimes. |
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Post by DigDug on Dec 24, 2015 8:46:40 GMT -6
Like going from a Honda to a BMW. Both good vehicles. The Honda is better then let's say a Kia (Gustin is better then Levis but not a BMW) Does someone "Need" a BMW, no, more of a want. What is it that makes a BMW better and cost more, better quality/ Design/engineering and let's face it a bit more exclusive. Is it worth spending $300 on a pair of jeans for those reasons? Only you can say. I haven't on a pair of jeans but I have on a couple of shirts. DESIGN. I think that's a bigger thing than people are making out. I don't have any stupidly high end denim (Oni is the most expensive I have), but for the most part the higher end brands have far nicer details; little things that set them apart. But if we're going to be honest, are they really worth the $300 or whatever the asking price may be? Not in the slightest! It's an incredibly niche market; many of the people who buy this kind of product are 'collectors' (for want of a better term). The more unique the product, the higher the asking price. Don't get me wrong I'm a sucker for it too, but I have to sit and wonder why sometimes. So why do people buy expensive cars? You can only go 55, the cheaper cars do the same thing- transport. |
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Post by DigDug on Dec 24, 2015 8:49:05 GMT -6
And by "Design" I mean Cut or Style.
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Post by DigDug on Dec 24, 2015 9:05:49 GMT -6
People spend money on all kinds of Stupid things.
These are a few things that I find ridiculous-
Cigarettes, any coffee over $2, music (I've never bought a cassette/CD/file), Adele tickets over $100 (there crazy stupid money now!), lunch, going out for dinner every week, Rent, ties over $20, lawn mowing service, bottled water, CC interest, etc
These things I choose not to spend my money on, why not? I don't really know, just the way I was raised, the way my wife feels, what I've seen/perceive other people waste their money on. But I don't so I can be stupid and spent $300 on a Waffle shirt.
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Post by chrisdoth on Dec 24, 2015 10:57:12 GMT -6
I'll preference this with saying I'm ordering from the UK, and I think the additional costs involved in that make Gustin a different proposition than it does for someone ordering in the US.
My first Gustin orders were a pair of the chinos and the waxed trucker. I wasn't that impressed with either when they arrived, both for fit and 'quality'. The chinos were okay, but the fit was more trim that expected, and so were the measurements, and so while they did just fit, I couldn't see me wearing them and I sold them on. I wouldn't say, to me, they lived up to the hype of the product listing. The trucker just didn't really fit me as I'd like. Nothing wrong with it as such, but again, sold it on.
The only Item I've bought and really liked was a pair of their jeans I picked up on eBay. Actually really impressed with the fit and denim on those. Based on those I would've happily ordered future jeans from them, but all these miss measurements and products people are receiving that don't arrive to size, kind of puts me off that. Shame.
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Post by ickes on Dec 24, 2015 11:13:00 GMT -6
I'm not going to elaborate on this too much but yeah I've moved away from Gustin (for the most part) to higher quality brands. To sum it up I've just become a more educated consumer and have found other brands that are more my style and produce a much higher quality product. having taken part in the LD disaster (CC refund didn't work out, as it would have cost me money initially with unclear outcome, and my rule is not throwing good money after bad money) and being stuffed with pants for the moment anyway, my purchasing was limited and the personal "new rule" is one pair every year .... what I'm interested in ( ickes or anyone else): If you say "much higher quality product", what exactly do you mean by that? I have little to compare with (in the denim sector). The denim I currently have in my closet is (ranked by personal quality feeling from low to high): standard Levi's (not the "crafted" stuff or "vintage"), something called "Les Copains", 7 For All Mankind (which, according to the wife and other ladies, look cool but don't feel great) and Gustin. Gustin's are far above all the rest, but they are the only things raw. Again up to recent I was rather the Chino (summer) - Cords (fall/winter) guy (apart of more formal wool pants or even suits). Once some of my old chinos get thorn or worn out I would like to purchase a pair of Gustin's to see how they compare with my top notch italian pants (which are far above the "standard" chinos from Boss or Viyella). When refer to a much higher quality product there are several things that I'm talking about that all join together to make a great product.
First and foremost it is all about the actual fabric itself....the actual fabric that is being used to make the item. That is the backbone of a high quality product. Before I got in to selvedge denim I had no clue what Supima Cotton, Aspero cotton, Zimbabwe cotton, etc...even were or what their characteristics were. I had no idea what 12oz or 25oz meant in regards to the feel and characteristic of that weight of fabric. These higher quality raw materials that are used translate into a much more expensive item and therefore a much higher quality item. The Iron Heart Ultra Heavy Flannels are made of Aspero Cotton and are 12oz. 12oz of Aspero cotton is absolute quality. You can feel it. My 14 year old daughter touched one of my IH flannels the other day and even to her she could tell it was quality. She was blown away.
Second, the weight of the fabric. I love items that are heavy weight. 21oz jeans, 10-12oz flannels, 10oz chambrays, 9-10oz T shirts, etc...I found that I prefer the way that they feel, the way that they drape on my body, and the way that they age over time. They will last longer. They are quality. Now obviously I don't always wear heavy items as I live in Phoenix and I absolutely believe that lighter weight items have their place for the summer time, but heavy weight items just wear so much better and last so much longer. This also translates in to a higher cost (generally speaking) because obviously the more you have of something the more it's going to cost. A 21oz fabric is going to cost more than a 14oz fabric simply because there's more of it. The lightest pair of jeans I have in my rotation right now are my Oni 517xbe which were 16.5oz pre soak which would mean they are easily 17.5oz post soak. Once you get used to the heavier stuff an 18oz pair of jeans feels like tissue paper.
Third, the exclusive design of the fabric. Iron Heart, and I'm sure other Japanese or higher end brands as well, use fabrics that are specifically designed for them or are exclusive to them (for the most part). You generally will not see these fabrics anywhere else. I'm talking about the actual design and colors used on a shirt or pair of pants combined with the raw materials used to make them. Iron Heart has so many unique items that you just will not find anywhere else. They are exclusive to them. Again, I'm just using Iron Heart as that is the brand I am most familiar with.
Fourth, the craftsmanship. Iron Heart products and many other Japanese brand products are very well put together. You know what you are going to get. We've seen just on this forum here how some more affordable brands can be almost embarrassing at times with their lack of quality craftsmanship.
The more affordable, crowd funded and/or MTO brands use fabrics that are light weight and run of the mill (pun intended) IMO. It seems like they are generally purchased from Pacific Blue Denim and they are just nothing very unique or impressive, generally speaking. I'm sure there are people who are going to come on here and point out all of the fabrics that Gustin has released and yes, some of them are cool and unique and I would agree with that, so I just want to make it clear that I'm speaking generally here.
Obviously the fit is important to but that is so personal to each and every individual so I didn't include that on here. Something has to fit well for you to enjoy it, first and foremost.
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Post by gaseousclay on Dec 24, 2015 11:52:37 GMT -6
aside from design and fabric I would agree with ickes that craftsmanship is the heart and soul of a good pair of denim. but when we're talking about the bells and whistles that go along with expensive denim it's a purely subjective matter. I love my Strike Golds because the fabric is really cool and the jeans fit me perfectly, but the one and only nitpick I have is that the belt loops aren't sewn into the waistband, so to my eye they look sloppy. My Gustin, 3sixteen and Indigogene denim have sewn in belt loops and they look cleaner. All personal preference of course. The only interesting pair of denim I have from Gustin would be my Japan One Sevens, but the others are fairly run of the mill.
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Post by exophobe on Dec 24, 2015 13:13:39 GMT -6
aside from design and fabric I would agree with ickes that craftsmanship is the heart and soul of a good pair of denim. but when we're talking about the bells and whistles that go along with expensive denim it's a purely subjective matter. I love my Strike Golds because the fabric is really cool and the jeans fit me perfectly, but the one and only nitpick I have is that the belt loops aren't sewn into the waistband, so to my eye they look sloppy. My Gustin, 3sixteen and Indigogene denim have sewn in belt loops and they look cleaner. All personal preference of course. The only interesting pair of denim I have from Gustin would be my Japan One Sevens, but the others are fairly run of the mill. The Japanese repro brands don't sew in the belt loops or flat fell the inseam because that's not how Levi's did it in their heyday. I've just seen this from you a couple times now so thought I'd mention it in case you didn't know that's why. |
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Post by adunkin on Jan 9, 2016 14:58:40 GMT -6
Some know me from the old G forums in that I bought a crapload of G stuff early on.
These days though while I have expanded my horizons a bit (mostly to N&F on some things) I still look forward to the Gustin emails and see what's new and upcoming... usually in shirts these days more than jeans since I've got a pretty good variety, but I've also dropped a few on the boots as well. So I've mostly slacked off but if there's something interesting, I'll definitely still consider it.
I also think I'm slightly more forgiving in QC and frankly don't really think I've had a huge issue with sizing other than the weirdness with the BlueXBlack run. Oh well so the inseams usually vary somewhat so I have to be careful if/when I get them re-hemmed I know how much I'm trimming for each.
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