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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 22:21:58 GMT -6
Eventually, after lots of turning, flipping and drying in the sun, I ended up with a much nicer tobacco brown that I love. I'm going to do a bit more sun aging over the weekend but this shade is awesome, a little darker from more sun/time will be beautiful. I included a pic showing the color inside of one leg cuff, note the lighter shade. This shows the difference between sun exposure (outside surface) and inside surface (no sun)    |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 22:28:36 GMT -6
Pima Fires came out pretty cool as well...but I need some time in them, some sun etc and we shall see what the end result truly is. I like them MUCH better though, no more heavy steaks and an overall "antiqued" appearance. That's a friendly way of saying dirty lol. Seriously though, I really like them much, much better. BTW - DigDugs comment about doing some old indigos was the root of this. Thanks DigDug. I was going to do the coffee thing with these but I just went for it with the leftover Kakishibu instead. I'll catch up in a bit. Busy night!   |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 22:46:35 GMT -6
This has really piqued many interest..... what if I indigo overdye a pair of brown denims???
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Post by Winterland on Oct 10, 2014 23:20:04 GMT -6
Thanks for showing us all this project.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 23:42:25 GMT -6
This has really piqued many interest..... what if I indigo overdye a pair of brown denims??? I was thinking about that today....You might get something along the lines of a persimmon weft indigo warp except much darker in the creases. Might be awesome! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 23:43:03 GMT -6
Winterland, thanks for setting up this forum. Seriously.
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Post by Winterland on Oct 11, 2014 1:03:27 GMT -6
Your welcome.
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Post by wisdom on Oct 11, 2014 7:27:39 GMT -6
This turned out so much better than I expected it to.. darn you SteveKas.. now I gotta buy a pair of naturals and another few batches of Kakishibu Powder =) These look absolutely amazing! How do you keep it from streaking? How often are you flipping those jeans? Any areas you are unsatisfied with that you can show us pictures of?
Sorry to throw all these questions at you, but this project is so darn cool!
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Post by wisdom on Oct 11, 2014 7:45:10 GMT -6
Pima Fires came out pretty cool as well...but I need some time in them, some sun etc and we shall see what the end result truly is. I like them MUCH better though, no more heavy steaks and an overall "antiqued" appearance. That's a friendly way of saying dirty lol. Seriously though, I really like them much, much better. BTW - DigDugs comment about doing some old indigos was the root of this. Thanks DigDug. I was going to do the coffee thing with these but I just went for it with the leftover Kakishibu instead. I'll catch up in a bit. Busy night! I wonder how semi-faded beasts would look (or semi-faded anything) with a Kakishibu treatment. Now I'm tempted to ruin a pair of Zim 18s.. if only the loomstates were in the store. Geez.. the possibilities are endless. |
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Post by Derek G on Oct 11, 2014 7:53:31 GMT -6
Thanks for showing us all this project. Indeed...It's very interesting, I had never heard of this before. Thanks a lot for sharing your experience. looks like the naturals may sell out quicker next time because of this  |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 11, 2014 10:11:24 GMT -6
They came out great. This is bad for me because when I found out about sashiko & boro patchesI started looking for anything I owend that needed repairs. I eventually found 3 pairs of Levis & a few shirts I patched till they were comical .
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Post by stinky on Oct 11, 2014 11:05:43 GMT -6
Damn you SteveKAS and your awesome dying job on both your naturals and your pimas--making me jealous and now I have to order naturals and some of that persimmon stuff (or maybe I can make my own and outdo you . . . I saw persimmons at the store the other day). Grrrr. Another project that will have the wife scratching her head and wondering why I'm dying jeans instead of working on the house.
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Post by exophobe on Oct 11, 2014 12:30:54 GMT -6
This is making me want to do terrible things to my cone Pima fires.
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Post by Derek G on Oct 11, 2014 12:44:07 GMT -6
They came out great. This is bad for me because when I found out about sashiko & boro patchesI started looking for anything I owend that needed repairs. I eventually found 3 pairs of Levis & a few shirts I patched till they were comical . Again thanks DD....I have never heard of that type of patching....Looks friggin awesome, I sure do learn a lot from you guys. This place is definitely worth the price of admission  |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 11, 2014 12:46:24 GMT -6
They came out great. This is bad for me because when I found out about sashiko & boro patchesI started looking for anything I owend that needed repairs. I eventually found 3 pairs of Levis & a few shirts I patched till they were comical . Again thanks DD....I have never heard of that type of patching....Looks friggin awesome, I sure do learn a lot from you guys. This place is definitely worth the price of admission Ill post a few photo's of some of the stuff I did. I am not good at it but thats actually part why its so good. You can make mistakes & it will still look good |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 13:09:11 GMT -6
Thanks for showing us all this project. Indeed...It's very interesting, I had never heard of this before. Thanks a lot for sharing your experience. looks like the naturals may sell out quicker next time because of this or you can get the Natural from Lawless now for $69. Why need to wait for Gustin? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 15:27:23 GMT -6
You guys are all making me get veklempt and shit....
Thanks!
I'll throw up some post-sunsoak pics tonight along with areas of inconsistency. There are a few. I'm super happy with these but perfect and uniform they are not. I'll detail what I did as far as reducing streaking etc as well. I didn't get away totally clean but i did pick up a couple small tricks.
The Pima Fires are solidly back in rotation now...much more to my tastes (no disrespect to those that love them as manufactured)
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Post by ickes on Oct 11, 2014 16:39:51 GMT -6
This is making me want to do terrible things to my cone Pima fires. hey...be nice to your Pima Fires  |
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Post by exophobe on Oct 11, 2014 18:33:29 GMT -6
hey...be nice to your Pima Fires Do I have to be? I actually think they might be really cool -- or really streaky -- with a black or even indigo garment overdye. I'm just not sure I'll wear them regardless of what I do since I don't really seem to be able to make the Gustin straight cut look right on me. |
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Post by kakishibuchris on Oct 11, 2014 21:23:07 GMT -6
Hi Guys,
This is Chris, of Kakishibu infamy. I was invited to chime in on this (I won't rat out the guilty party who invited me....). The jeans project is so much fun to follow! Generally, I send the kakishibu out and never know what it created. I read through the comments and have a couple of things to add...
Yes, kakishibu gets darker in the sunlight. I give things at least a week before I do a second dip. At least 3 of those days hanging out in the sun (being sure to change the position of the item so it all gets exposed to the sunlight). I can't tell you how often I've done a project, pulled it out, let it dry and said awwww...is that all there is? Only to look at it in a month and wonder what I was so disappointed about. It really does get darker. I promise.
The seams will be darker. The multiple layers of cloth act as a reservoir and hold more kakishibu. More kakishibu, more tannin. Sometimes, you'll get a halo effect around seams as the single layer of cloth on either side will dry more quickly, then wick the kakishibu that the seams held, depositing more tannin in the already dried area. It can be a really cool effect. I've never been able to make it do that on demand, though Seems to just be a gift of the gods.
Yes, kaksihibu will eventually gel. The naturally occuring pectin from the persimmons is responsible for this. I have not had good luck storing it in the fridge. For some reason, the colder temperature causes the solids to separate out. I've never been able to get them to remix. The best way is to store the kakishibu like wine - in a consistently cool, dark area. With experience, you'll be able to mix up what you need for a project. The powder will keep indefinitely until mixed with water. Just be sure to check the kakishibu periodically to check for signs of gelling. If caught early, you can salvage it. If not, it's toast.
Someone mentioned leather...I've had a couple of customers try using kakishibu on leather with mixed results. Some were happy, some not. Don't know what process/technique they tried.
And, he's right. I'm insanely busy. I won't bore you with details. Yes, it can take me a couple of days to answer, but I WILL answer.
I don't want to crash your party, but I'm happy to answer any questions and help if I can. My teacher in Japan was a "no secrets" teacher and my goal is to honor him by being the same.
Cheers,
Chris
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 21:28:27 GMT -6
Hi Guys, This is Chris, of Kakishibu infamy. I was invited to chime in on this (I won't rat out the guilty party who invited me....). The jeans project is so much fun to follow! Generally, I send the kakishibu out and never know what it created. I read through the comments and have a couple of things to add... Yes, kakishibu gets darker in the sunlight. I give things at least a week before I do a second dip. At least 3 of those days hanging out in the sun (being sure to change the position of the item so it all gets exposed to the sunlight). I can't tell you how often I've done a project, pulled it out, let it dry and said awwww...is that all there is? Only to look at it in a month and wonder what I was so disappointed about. It really does get darker. I promise. The seams will be darker. The multiple layers of cloth act as a reservoir and hold more kakishibu. More kakishibu, more tannin. Sometimes, you'll get a halo effect around seams as the single layer of cloth on either side will dry more quickly, then wick the kakishibu that the seams held, depositing more tannin in the already dried area. It can be a really cool effect. I've never been able to make it do that on demand, though Seems to just be a gift of the gods. Yes, kaksihibu will eventually gel. The naturally occuring pectin from the persimmons is responsible for this. I have not had good luck storing it in the fridge. For some reason, the colder temperature causes the solids to separate out. I've never been able to get them to remix. The best way is to store the kakishibu like wine - in a consistently cool, dark area. With experience, you'll be able to mix up what you need for a project. The powder will keep indefinitely until mixed with water. Just be sure to check the kakishibu periodically to check for signs of gelling. If caught early, you can salvage it. If not, it's toast. Someone mentioned leather...I've had a couple of customers try using kakishibu on leather with mixed results. Some were happy, some not. Don't know what process/technique they tried. And, he's right. I'm insanely busy. I won't bore you with details. Yes, it can take me a couple of days to answer, but I WILL answer. I don't want to crash your party, but I'm happy to answer any questions and help if I can. My teacher in Japan was a "no secrets" teacher and my goal is to honor him by being the same. Cheers, Chris Thanks for stopping by, Chris. The color is beautiful and I am sure more guys will start dyeing the jeans. |
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Post by colerussell on Oct 11, 2014 21:29:56 GMT -6
Hi Guys, This is Chris, of Kakishibu infamy. I was invited to chime in on this (I won't rat out the guilty party who invited me....). The jeans project is so much fun to follow! Generally, I send the kakishibu out and never know what it created. I read through the comments and have a couple of things to add... Yes, kakishibu gets darker in the sunlight. I give things at least a week before I do a second dip. At least 3 of those days hanging out in the sun (being sure to change the position of the item so it all gets exposed to the sunlight). I can't tell you how often I've done a project, pulled it out, let it dry and said awwww...is that all there is? Only to look at it in a month and wonder what I was so disappointed about. It really does get darker. I promise. The seams will be darker. The multiple layers of cloth act as a reservoir and hold more kakishibu. More kakishibu, more tannin. Sometimes, you'll get a halo effect around seams as the single layer of cloth on either side will dry more quickly, then wick the kakishibu that the seams held, depositing more tannin in the already dried area. It can be a really cool effect. I've never been able to make it do that on demand, though Seems to just be a gift of the gods. Yes, kaksihibu will eventually gel. The naturally occuring pectin from the persimmons is responsible for this. I have not had good luck storing it in the fridge. For some reason, the colder temperature causes the solids to separate out. I've never been able to get them to remix. The best way is to store the kakishibu like wine - in a consistently cool, dark area. With experience, you'll be able to mix up what you need for a project. The powder will keep indefinitely until mixed with water. Just be sure to check the kakishibu periodically to check for signs of gelling. If caught early, you can salvage it. If not, it's toast. Someone mentioned leather...I've had a couple of customers try using kakishibu on leather with mixed results. Some were happy, some not. Don't know what process/technique they tried. And, he's right. I'm insanely busy. I won't bore you with details. Yes, it can take me a couple of days to answer, but I WILL answer. I don't want to crash your party, but I'm happy to answer any questions and help if I can. My teacher in Japan was a "no secrets" teacher and my goal is to honor him by being the same. Cheers, Chris Thanks for dropping in and dropping some knowledge on us. We're honored by it man! |
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Post by wisdom on Oct 11, 2014 21:41:46 GMT -6
Hi Guys, This is Chris, of Kakishibu infamy. I was invited to chime in on this (I won't rat out the guilty party who invited me....). The jeans project is so much fun to follow! Generally, I send the kakishibu out and never know what it created. I read through the comments and have a couple of things to add... Yes, kakishibu gets darker in the sunlight. I give things at least a week before I do a second dip. At least 3 of those days hanging out in the sun (being sure to change the position of the item so it all gets exposed to the sunlight). I can't tell you how often I've done a project, pulled it out, let it dry and said awwww...is that all there is? Only to look at it in a month and wonder what I was so disappointed about. It really does get darker. I promise. The seams will be darker. The multiple layers of cloth act as a reservoir and hold more kakishibu. More kakishibu, more tannin. Sometimes, you'll get a halo effect around seams as the single layer of cloth on either side will dry more quickly, then wick the kakishibu that the seams held, depositing more tannin in the already dried area. It can be a really cool effect. I've never been able to make it do that on demand, though Seems to just be a gift of the gods. Yes, kaksihibu will eventually gel. The naturally occuring pectin from the persimmons is responsible for this. I have not had good luck storing it in the fridge. For some reason, the colder temperature causes the solids to separate out. I've never been able to get them to remix. The best way is to store the kakishibu like wine - in a consistently cool, dark area. With experience, you'll be able to mix up what you need for a project. The powder will keep indefinitely until mixed with water. Just be sure to check the kakishibu periodically to check for signs of gelling. If caught early, you can salvage it. If not, it's toast. Someone mentioned leather...I've had a couple of customers try using kakishibu on leather with mixed results. Some were happy, some not. Don't know what process/technique they tried. And, he's right. I'm insanely busy. I won't bore you with details. Yes, it can take me a couple of days to answer, but I WILL answer. I don't want to crash your party, but I'm happy to answer any questions and help if I can. My teacher in Japan was a "no secrets" teacher and my goal is to honor him by being the same. Cheers, Chris Thanks for chiming in with your experience and expertise, Chris! I'm totally doing the kakishibu thing to a pair of natural jeans and a pair of indigo jeans.. maybe my 26oz beasts. I hope you check in every once in awhile to give us pointers and enjoy the occasional face-palm. Someone wake Steve up and tell him to get that shiznit out of the fridge! |
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Post by dock on Oct 11, 2014 22:39:39 GMT -6
Hi Guys, This is Chris, of Kakishibu infamy. I was invited to chime in on this (I won't rat out the guilty party who invited me....). The jeans project is so much fun to follow! Generally, I send the kakishibu out and never know what it created. I read through the comments and have a couple of things to add... Yes, kakishibu gets darker in the sunlight. I give things at least a week before I do a second dip. At least 3 of those days hanging out in the sun (being sure to change the position of the item so it all gets exposed to the sunlight). I can't tell you how often I've done a project, pulled it out, let it dry and said awwww...is that all there is? Only to look at it in a month and wonder what I was so disappointed about. It really does get darker. I promise. The seams will be darker. The multiple layers of cloth act as a reservoir and hold more kakishibu. More kakishibu, more tannin. Sometimes, you'll get a halo effect around seams as the single layer of cloth on either side will dry more quickly, then wick the kakishibu that the seams held, depositing more tannin in the already dried area. It can be a really cool effect. I've never been able to make it do that on demand, though Seems to just be a gift of the gods. Yes, kaksihibu will eventually gel. The naturally occuring pectin from the persimmons is responsible for this. I have not had good luck storing it in the fridge. For some reason, the colder temperature causes the solids to separate out. I've never been able to get them to remix. The best way is to store the kakishibu like wine - in a consistently cool, dark area. With experience, you'll be able to mix up what you need for a project. The powder will keep indefinitely until mixed with water. Just be sure to check the kakishibu periodically to check for signs of gelling. If caught early, you can salvage it. If not, it's toast. Someone mentioned leather...I've had a couple of customers try using kakishibu on leather with mixed results. Some were happy, some not. Don't know what process/technique they tried. And, he's right. I'm insanely busy. I won't bore you with details. Yes, it can take me a couple of days to answer, but I WILL answer. I don't want to crash your party, but I'm happy to answer any questions and help if I can. My teacher in Japan was a "no secrets" teacher and my goal is to honor him by being the same. Cheers, Chris Thanks for dropping in and dropping some knowledge on us. We're honored by it man! Not that I think Chris would mind, but she is of the female variety |
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Post by Winterland on Oct 11, 2014 23:14:32 GMT -6
Thanks Chris for helping the forum out with your knowledge. That is what this forum is all about. Feel free to post here or start a thread about what you do if so inclined. I did a quick read up on it but had never heard of Kakishibu till Stevekas made this thread. Welcome.
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