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Post by gaseousclay on Aug 31, 2015 13:26:56 GMT -6
www.rawrdenim.com/2015/08/white-oak-economy-millennials-changing-retail/interesting article. I'm not sure I agree with the premise that millennials are the ones changing retail. I certainly don't know how many of you fall into the millennial category but I get the impression that quite a few of you are old farts like me and pushing 40 or older. Either way, what do you think? I do agree that Cone Mills denim has been done to death. It seems like every new denim company that releases a line of selvedge jeans starts out with Cone Mills denim, and then try and charge a premium for it to boot. But then again, Japanese and Italian denim is popular so I think there's plenty of room for other players to enter the denim fold.
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Post by matt on Aug 31, 2015 13:58:59 GMT -6
www.rawrdenim.com/2015/08/white-oak-economy-millennials-changing-retail/interesting article. I'm not sure I agree with the premise that millennials are the ones changing retail. I certainly don't know how many of you fall into the millennial category but I get the impression that quite a few of you are old farts like me and pushing 40 or older. Either way, what do you think? I do agree that Cone Mills denim has been done to death. It seems like every new denim company that releases a line of selvedge jeans starts out with Cone Mills denim, and then try and charge a premium for it to boot. But then again, Japanese and Italian denim is popular so I think there's plenty of room for other players to enter the denim fold. I would agree with your assessment that many of the contributors to the denim economy are slightly older than the demo they are addressing - I'm not quite 40 yet, but I think under 30 Matt would have loved to live in this denim world today. Related question - is Cone really played out or are they merely a viable option if there isn't such a significant premium tied to it? I would guess part of the appeal is the "American denim" that justifies a premium.
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Post by gaseousclay on Aug 31, 2015 14:21:43 GMT -6
Related question - is Cone really played out or are they merely a viable option if there isn't such a significant premium tied to it? I would guess part of the appeal is the "American denim" that justifies a premium. I think the appropriate phrase I would use is that it's easily accessible, so by virtue of that there are many denim startups that use Cone Mills for their line because it's there. I don't know how difficult it is to acquire Japanese or Italian denim but I surmise that it's expensive and that the per yard cost is more than what most can afford. I'm just speculating of course. What i'm getting at is this, there are several well known denim companies like Tellason, Imogene+Willie, Bravestar Selvage, Railcar Goods, etc., that use the same Cone Mills fabric and they all (with the exception of Bravestar) charge a premium. I get it. Their jeans are handmade in the US, but compare that to a Japanese or Italian fabric, which I find more interesting, and all of a sudden you're wondering what the fuss is all about. I'm sure Cone makes a wonderful denim and i'm certain that most companies use them for economical reasons, but often the price tag attached to Cone Mills jeans is more than i'm willing to spend. but back on topic. I assumed that Millennials were the ones that didn't have money. I work with a girl who's a Millennial and she likes to point that out for some reason. Yet, she's at the bottom of the pay scale and makes nothing. She also has horrible taste in clothing.This is why the Rawr denim article confused me.
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Post by bugula on Aug 31, 2015 14:22:03 GMT -6
i wish amy had stuck to a bit more around the manufacturers and economics driving the industry as she's incredibly knowledgeable of that space.
i troll r/rawdenim frequently and it's apparent that a good chunk of the millennials there who are into this "hobby" aren't quite where they need to be career-wise yet to afford it. making it seem that it's the gen x crew putting cash in.
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Post by gaseousclay on Aug 31, 2015 15:36:30 GMT -6
i troll r/rawdenim frequently and it's apparent that a good chunk of the millennials there who are into this "hobby" aren't quite where they need to be career-wise yet to afford it. making it seem that it's the gen x crew putting cash in. That was the conclusion I came to as well. I don't know. Maybe there are Millennials out there that make really good money, but the ones I know spend what little money they make on cheap garbage. I just thought the article needed to do a better job at citing actual data to back up her claims that Millenials are driving the economy. Based on what I've seen here it's the Gen-Xers and older that are spending the big bucks
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Post by ickes on Aug 31, 2015 15:56:56 GMT -6
Haven't read the article yet but a millenial isn't as young as some might think. According to some articles I've read I'd be a millenial if I was born 5 months later and I just turned 36. There's probably a lot of millenials on our site.
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Post by bentin on Aug 31, 2015 15:58:02 GMT -6
Dumb bunnies. Old folks like me like some Cone stuff, especially their heavier stuff.
Yet in the interest of full disclosure, the one pair of Cones that I own are 12.5oz. Gen X is contrarian and shit.
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Post by ickes on Aug 31, 2015 16:03:06 GMT -6
FWIW I like cone denims as well and find it much more appealing than Italian denim and a number of Japanese denims as well. As a matter of fact, who actually uses Italian denim other than Gustin?
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Post by bentin on Aug 31, 2015 16:12:34 GMT -6
FWIW I like cone denims as well and find it much more appealing than Italian denim and a number of Japanese denims as well. As a matter of fact, who actually uses Italian denim other than Gustin? Left Field has an ixi, i'm always tempted until I see Italian.
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Post by gaseousclay on Aug 31, 2015 16:30:19 GMT -6
Haven't read the article yet but a millenial isn't as young as some might think. According to some articles I've read I'd be a millenial if I was born 5 months later and I just turned 36. There's probably a lot of millenials on our site. That's the other thing that bugged me about the term Millenial, namely that there's no defined date as to when a Millenial was born. I assumed it was anyone under 30. I personally hate terms like Gen-X, Millennial, Baby Boomer, etc.
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Post by gaseousclay on Aug 31, 2015 16:36:45 GMT -6
FWIW I like cone denims as well and find it much more appealing than Italian denim and a number of Japanese denims as well. As a matter of fact, who actually uses Italian denim other than Gustin? Doesn't Ciano Farmer use Italian denim? I don't own anything that uses Italian denim so can't give any personal insight as to quality. I just think the Italian fabrics I've seen are interesting. Which begs the question, why doesn't Cone offer more unique warp/weft denim?
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Post by david2403 on Aug 31, 2015 16:48:08 GMT -6
Haven't read the article yet but a millenial isn't as young as some might think. According to some articles I've read I'd be a millenial if I was born 5 months later and I just turned 36. There's probably a lot of millenials on our site. That's the other thing that bugged me about the term Millenial, namely that there's no defined date as to when a Millenial was born. I assumed it was anyone under 30. I personally hate terms like Gen-X, Millennial, Baby Boomer, etc. I think Millennials were born in 1980 or after.
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Post by brentkuz on Aug 31, 2015 16:48:52 GMT -6
I still don't get the grouping of 32 year olds with 15 year olds. I don't get it at all.
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Post by DigDug on Aug 31, 2015 18:15:03 GMT -6
i cant figure any of them out at all. Which makes me feel like my Father when he would drive by Hippies. He'd always say "Damn Hippies". Now I find my self saying "Damn Millenials". "Get a Job! And wash your jeans!" (At least once in awhile)
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Post by whiskeyriver on Aug 31, 2015 18:26:30 GMT -6
i cant figure any of them out at all. Which makes me feel like my Father when he would drive by Hippies. He'd always say "Damn Hippies". Now I find my self saying "Damn Millenials". "Get a Job! And wash your jeans!" (At least once in awhile) He was probably yelling that at MY parents. Haha.
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Post by whiskeyriver on Aug 31, 2015 20:11:13 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 20:34:51 GMT -6
I read the article, kind of weak. A lot of marketing ease. They had an article about why cone is used so often with start ups and why it's expensive not too long ago. It was pretty good.
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Post by exophobe on Aug 31, 2015 20:59:45 GMT -6
I read the article, kind of weak. A lot of marketing ease. They had an article about why cone is used so often with start ups and why it's expensive not too long ago. It was pretty good. Yeah I thought it was weird how this article seems to have been ignorant about that article. However, I think it was slightly misguided since the affiliation to Cone is really outside of the scope of the article being written. Reading it, the point seems to be a shifting in culture from people not giving a shit about where their goods/clothes come from to one of accepting responsibility for our choices. The article is more about this culture shift, and the most recent generation to become adults would be the obvious force of that change. It has the roots of an article about the recovery of the Cone White Oak facility, but then drops that story to talk about millenials and how they're adults now. Like every article on the goddam internet about every industry. I like both articles, but I'd rather see them as two separate and cohesive articles. I think the title of the article should be "Why kids today don't need to be forced off your lawn while you brandish a shotgun", but White Oak Economy flows off the tongue a bit better.
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Post by youwinatlife on Sept 1, 2015 2:21:26 GMT -6
Haven't read the article yet but a millenial isn't as young as some might think. According to some articles I've read I'd be a millenial if I was born 5 months later and I just turned 36. There's probably a lot of millenials on our site. can confirm. 31 year old millennial wearing cone denim as i type this here.
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Post by brentkuz on Sept 1, 2015 6:34:53 GMT -6
I only have Cone Pima Fires. That article really did nothing for me. Nothing of substance.
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Post by Griffin on Sept 1, 2015 12:04:43 GMT -6
I have never heard the term Millenials? What does it really mean? Sounds like millenium but apparently has nothong to do with it....1980 people i just call "Kids who got everything for free like videogames and shit we had to make ourselves from sticks and tape". Also the mountainbike "generation" who didnt understand why it was so much lamer then the BMX
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Post by bentin on Sept 1, 2015 12:06:40 GMT -6
Don't be daft. My 29er rigid single speed is just a grown up version of my Redline BMX.
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Post by Griffin on Sept 1, 2015 12:30:38 GMT -6
A fixie? Yeah well those are cool!
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Post by exophobe on Sept 1, 2015 14:50:57 GMT -6
I have never heard the term Millenials? What does it really mean? Sounds like millenium but apparently has nothong to do with it....1980 people i just call "Kids who got everything for free like videogames and shit we had to make ourselves from sticks and tape". Also the mountainbike "generation" who didnt understand why it was so much lamer then the BMX Those that entered adulthood around the turn of the millennium.
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