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Post by Old26 on Oct 18, 2014 11:05:17 GMT -6
And people think that looks bad? Not sure I agree...
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Post by stinky on Oct 18, 2014 11:08:01 GMT -6
I don't think it looks bad, they just shouldn't be that distressed/creased/wrinkled after 1 day of wear. That's a lot of creasing/loose grain which will affect the long term viability of the boot. Then again, they are likely much better than a $200 pair one can get at the mall.
One more note . . . I mentioned this earlier, but they are using a Dainite sole knockoff, so the durability of those soles is unknown.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 11:27:24 GMT -6
And people think that looks bad? Not sure I agree... not bad per se, but i was contemplating the diplomat as something that might lure me away from a pair of alden indys. based on these photos, and the midsole which i'm not liking the look of...i don't think that's going to happen. but...i'm in no particular rush as there are 16 days left of the ks campaign. i'll gladly wait until this guy posts his full thoughts and additional photos. of course there's only so much he'll be able to say after a few days with the boots...but it's better than nothing. |
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Post by exophobe on Oct 18, 2014 12:59:12 GMT -6
Regarding the boots and their wear, I think everyone is actually reacting to the amazing difference in photo conditions. Inside on a hardwood floor versus outside on concrete, with the dramatic lighting changes increasing the contrast in the creases in the leather on the second picture. It could even be difficult to convince some people that they're the same boots since the color representation is so skewed. I've gotta say the thing that intrigues me, though, is that they're fully lined, you can get them in Natural Horween Chromxcel (like the OSBM Trench), and they're goodyear welted so even if the sole ends up being garbage you can put something else on it.
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Post by matt on Oct 19, 2014 13:57:50 GMT -6
Completely agree with Exophobe. I backed the natural horween chromexcel in the Diplomat style. For the price, they look quality. I was debating the cap-toe black and seeing the wear pic (assuming they are the same boot), I may opt for a quick-to-break-in pair in black. Hoping for more pics.
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Post by gaseousclay on Oct 19, 2014 17:32:13 GMT -6
The wrinkling doesn't bother me because 1) they're boots and 2) CXL leather is supposed to do that. My CXL Indys hardly get worn and they have more wrinkling than the Thursday boots.
But, I'd like to read more reviews before taking the plunge
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 22:13:12 GMT -6
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Post by gaseousclay on Oct 20, 2014 6:49:13 GMT -6
think i'll wait til more reviews come in. I'm not willing to spend $200 on an unknown company, GYW boots or not. there's a reason why companies like Viberg and Alden are more expensive. @ $200 I can't realistically expect any boot to hold up well
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 9:50:08 GMT -6
Based on the review, I am probably going to wait a bit.
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Post by exophobe on Oct 20, 2014 21:37:09 GMT -6
It's got me doubting them, too. And he makes a really good point about Malvin + Joyce, even though I prefer the Natural Horween Chromexcel. Just makes me think I should keep looking, or buy the damn OSB's that I actually want come summer and stop messing around.  |
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Post by exophobe on Oct 20, 2014 22:10:06 GMT -6
Looking at the Malvin + Joyce and comparing to the Thursday cap-toe puts me squarely back in the Iron Ranger camp... Actually, looking at those and then looking at the Iron Ranger has me squarely back in the Iron Ranger camp.
Plan at this point is some Iron Rangers and some OSBM Trenches next year. Sorry Thursday, I just wasn't prepared for you.
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Post by gaseousclay on Oct 21, 2014 7:08:50 GMT -6
I wonder how many backers will wind up with buyer's remorse? It appears that Thursday Boot Co is obviously trying to capitalize on the popularity of the Viberg Service Boot and Alden Indy boot at 1/3 to 1/2 the cost. But again, you get what you pay for and it astounds me that customers are willing to throw down $200 on a pair of questionable boots when that same $200 could've gone towards an actual pair of Vibergs or Indys.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 12:09:52 GMT -6
I wonder how many backers will wind up with buyer's remorse? It appears that Thursday Boot Co is obviously trying to capitalize on the popularity of the Viberg Service Boot and Alden Indy boot at 1/3 to 1/2 the cost. But again, you get what you pay for and it astounds me that customers are willing to throw down $200 on a pair of questionable boots when that same $200 could've gone towards an actual pair of Vibergs or Indys. that's what i'm struggling with now. i was contemplating some indys when i saw this ks campaign. i realize the quality won't be 1:1, but will the indys be worth a near $400 premium? (assuming i'd stick with natural cxl and rubber/commando sole for the indys) i posed the value question to the TBC reviewer on reddit, and he responded that the TBC boots are most similar to wolverine 1k in terms of leather weight/quality. the weakest component in his assessment is the midsole, which is completely unknown at this point and will likely need replaced ~2yrs. he also indicated that he wouldn't pay the $400 over the TBC boots to get indys, valuing the quality difference at maybe a $150 premium. i know values are purely subjective...but it's definitely a consideration for me. the thing that bothers me the most about backing the TBC diplomat in Natural cxl is the midsole...how it looks, and how it will perform over time. |
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Post by gaseousclay on Oct 21, 2014 12:23:12 GMT -6
I wonder how many backers will wind up with buyer's remorse? It appears that Thursday Boot Co is obviously trying to capitalize on the popularity of the Viberg Service Boot and Alden Indy boot at 1/3 to 1/2 the cost. But again, you get what you pay for and it astounds me that customers are willing to throw down $200 on a pair of questionable boots when that same $200 could've gone towards an actual pair of Vibergs or Indys. that's what i'm struggling with now. i was contemplating some indys when i saw this ks campaign. i realize the quality won't be 1:1, but will the indys be worth a near $400 premium? (assuming i'd stick with natural cxl and rubber/commando sole for the indys) i posed the value question to the TBC reviewer on reddit, and he responded that the TBC boots are most similar to wolverine 1k in terms of leather weight/quality. the weakest component in his assessment is the midsole, which is completely unknown at this point and will likely need replaced ~2yrs. he also indicated that he wouldn't pay the $400 over the TBC boots to get indys, valuing the quality difference at maybe a $150 premium. i know values are purely subjective...but it's definitely a consideration for me. the thing that bothers me the most about backing the TBC diplomat in Natural cxl is the midsole...how it looks, and how it will perform over time. yeah, one's personal value assessment of the Thursday Boot over the Indys will be a personal one. But since I own a pair of Indys there is no doubt in my mind that these are the superior choice, especially given their long history and quality. It will probably be years before I'll need to have any repairs done and to me there is no substitute. The pics from the reddit review looked ok, but the leather looked almost like plastic. this could've been due to the light but it had an unnatural sheen to it that looked cheap. I understand how difficult it is to pull the trigger on $500 Indys. What I don't understand is the idea of spending half the amount on a product with questionable quality - it's almost as if customers are setting themselves up for disappointment. My answer would be, what do you expect for a $200 boot made in Mexico? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 12:40:59 GMT -6
<abbr data-timestamp="1413915792000" class="time" title="Oct 21, 2014 13:23:12 GMT -5">Oct 21, 2014 13:23:12 GMT -5</abbr> gaseousclay said: yeah, one's personal value assessment of the Thursday Boot over the Indys will be a personal one. But since I own a pair of Indys there is no doubt in my mind that these are the superior choice, especially given their long history and quality. It will probably be years before I'll need to have any repairs done and to me there is no substitute. The pics from the reddit review looked ok, but the leather looked almost like plastic. this could've been due to the light but it had an unnatural sheen to it that looked cheap. I understand how difficult it is to pull the trigger on $500 Indys. What I don't understand is the idea of spending half the amount on a product with questionable quality - it's almost as if customers are setting themselves up for disappointment. My answer would be, what do you expect for a $200 boot made in Mexico? i'm not as concerned with the leather from the review, as i'd be backing the cxl and we're more familiar with the characteristics of that leather. point of origin for me is more a point of principal to me than quality. i don't necessarily see made in mexico as an inherent detractor in terms of quality. that said...your overall point is well taken. |
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Post by matt on Oct 21, 2014 23:04:45 GMT -6
Has it been determined that these boots will be manufactured in Mexico? Or is that merely a point of assumption? I think if this particular group (Thursday Boot) is emulating the Gustin model, then perhaps they found some no name production shops in the NY area that doing the work for them?
I took the dive on the natural CXL. I'm hopeful, but if it's not up to quality, I'll still wear out these boots - once I've receive my backing, I'll post up pics and a progress report on wear.
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Post by exophobe on Oct 21, 2014 23:32:08 GMT -6
Has it been determined that these boots will be manufactured in Mexico? Or is that merely a point of assumption? I think if this particular group (Thursday Boot) is emulating the Gustin model, then perhaps they found some no name production shops in the NY area that doing the work for them? I took the dive on the natural CXL. I'm hopeful, but if it's not up to quality, I'll still wear out these boots - once I've receive my backing, I'll post up pics and a progress report on wear. They're absolutely being manufactured in Mexico, which, as someone else said, is less a concern of quality and more a concern of principle. I have no doubt they're going to be great -- I'm still trying to decide but I'll probably just be jealous when you get yours. The concerns about the mid-soles only lasting a couple years are silly when you think of the life of the boot. Just take care of them and you're going to have them for a long time, the soles are temporary with that design anyway. From the FAQ: Our boots are constructed with our partners in Leon, Mexico alongside some of the highest quality brands in the world. We explored factory partnerships all over the world and contacted over 100 factories. Leon is known as the “Shoe Capital of the World” for a reason. |
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Post by gaseousclay on Oct 22, 2014 6:16:04 GMT -6
quality is still a concern for me with Thursday Boots. Judging from the pics in the Reddit review, the outsole started peeling away after a day of wear, at least this is what I gathered. I don't know about you but if this isn't cause for concern on a $200 pair of boots I don't know what is.
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Post by exophobe on Oct 22, 2014 6:42:13 GMT -6
quality is still a concern for me with Thursday Boots. Judging from the pics in the Reddit review, the outsole started peeling away after a day of wear, at least this is what I gathered. I don't know about you but if this isn't cause for concern on a $200 pair of boots I don't know what is. He also said this in his review, so I'm not sure how much of that would qualify as abuse. "My apologies to the person that receives these boots for the damage that I caused to the welt and midsole looking for the interlocking threads inbetween the welt and the midsole and the midsole and outsole." |
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Post by phait on Oct 22, 2014 23:22:32 GMT -6
In their defense, he first stated that he drags his toes when he walks and that he tried peeling the welt apart to find out why it was white stitching on one side and black on the other (then remembered they interlock on the inside).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 11:58:36 GMT -6
The difference on detail maybe subtle but the Alden boots look a lot of better. I know you get what you pay for but I was hoping more from TBC. |
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Post by matt on Oct 27, 2014 12:33:06 GMT -6
This is a great write-up/review of TBC. I backed the diplomat in natural cxl as well. I don't plan to wear mine daily, but to integrate them into my rotation with my other boots, chukkas, etc. For $200, it's not a bad alternative to the higher-priced options. I think I'll be pleased with the boots when I receive them - I'll do a review for the community here as well. I'm also looking at a pair of Alden's - I'll look to do a straight-up comparison. |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 27, 2014 14:29:52 GMT -6
Personally I think that was a screaming buy review. Not because its as good as a Alden but because its a $200 boot that dresses up nicer than a pair of RW IR. I like that they look like Aldens. The argument that they are imitation Aldens is like saying Gustin is copying the higher quality brands
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