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Post by quick on Oct 12, 2015 23:46:38 GMT -6
I really like G's shirts, but they are just too expensive to buy regularly for me.
tax + shipping + an expensive shirt I might as well go to a japanese retailer.
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Post by DigDug on Oct 13, 2015 7:06:23 GMT -6
I thought we clamored enough for a Heavy Flannel. They only tried Rusty. I'm not expecting HI heavy but I'm sure they could come up with a 9oz (I think they have in a stupid button down).
I didn't leave Gustin, Gustin left me.
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Post by Griffin on Oct 13, 2015 8:28:32 GMT -6
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Post by exophobe on Oct 13, 2015 8:57:58 GMT -6
That's all really good feedback exophobe; I'd suggest emailing your suggestions & feedback directly so they have a record of it. I'm not sure whether they read this forum, & Styleforum infrequently. They'd rather have passionate customer feedback than silence & no bites when they drop new items. Those of us that were around in the Gustin Community days were kinda burned by how well Gustin accepts feedback. These are all suggestions that were passed on to them a year and a half ago, and the result was the elimination of the Gustin Community forum. I do appreciate what you're trying to do here, and I'll consider sending them some feedback, but after two years of hearing the same song and asking for a new one, sometimes you just have to move on. There's liberal use of the F word in this clip, I've tried to share it to where it starts at the point I'm trying to make ( 2:22) but I don't know if the add a video thing will allow that. Either way, be aware of your environment and use your judgment accordingly: |
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Post by cellbitch on Oct 13, 2015 11:38:12 GMT -6
Well, I just made the recommendation in reply to a CS email. I actually like all the flannels they have up now, if someone who knew how to align patterns were sewing them without buttondown collars.
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Post by bugula on Oct 14, 2015 7:21:00 GMT -6
yeah, I just don't understand the reluctance to make these changes to their heavier weight shirts. i don't think that they changes would turn away the folks that like the current shirts and it'd broaden the group that would be interested in them. just looking for heavier placket buttons, no collar buttons, and a straighter bottom cut. seems simple.
and i don't know why i keep chiming in repeatedly. i guess it's some form of therapy as i really want some of their flannels. i unpacked my rocket flannel and stared longingly at it. it'll get some use as a layering piece (under a chore coat or cardigan) but it deserves to strut its stuff like the peacock it is. let these shirts live without shame and embarrassment, Gustin!!!
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Post by whiskeyriver on Oct 14, 2015 7:48:37 GMT -6
This is sorta what I believe. Styleforum is full of some reallll goobers. A lot of the people in the "Streetwear" section of the forum bleed over/stop in from the uber conservative "Classic Menswear" section, where it is an arms race on who can look the most stuffy and dress the most like a 50s Businessman. Josh Gustin and the Gustin brand folks have a thread there, and they make no appearances on any other forum. Mr. Gustin himself seems to be a pretty conservative dresser, and listens to and apparently feels some camaraderie with the largely conservatively-dressed namby pambies at Styleform. Those people at Styleforum REALLY did not take well to people posting in the Gustin forum that more work shirt styles were needed, or that a change to the overall style of the button down was needed. So, I think that is dead in the water. They're not gonna listen to us. They see their main clientele as not denimheads, but much more down the middle kinda fellas.
Just my take.
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Post by DigDug on Oct 14, 2015 8:09:02 GMT -6
I take them at their word,"We make clothes we like to wear" (or something like that).
I picture them showing up in a untucked button down flannel with the front and back tails sticking up from under and a City Coat. Just doesn't do it for me.
I'm tired of asking and I feel they got tired of the community asking. I think it all changed When we pushed them into making the BEAST.
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Post by whiskeyriver on Oct 14, 2015 8:37:10 GMT -6
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Post by exophobe on Oct 14, 2015 9:40:16 GMT -6
I really dig the dude's Back to the Future filter. I look at it this way, I don't make fun of what they choose to wear, and hopefully they won't make fun of what I choose. I like to hope that I make the right style choices, for me, on a daily basis, but style is like crazy, you never know if it's just you. Unless you're a famous woman, they get the shit beat out of them for years for questionable style choices.  |
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Post by exophobe on Oct 14, 2015 9:50:23 GMT -6
This is sorta what I believe. Styleforum is full of some reallll goobers. A lot of the people in the "Streetwear" section of the forum bleed over/stop in from the uber conservative "Classic Menswear" section, where it is an arms race on who can look the most stuffy and dress the most like a 50s Businessman. Josh Gustin and the Gustin brand folks have a thread there, and they make no appearances on any other forum. Mr. Gustin himself seems to be a pretty conservative dresser, and listens to and apparently feels some camaraderie with the largely conservatively-dressed namby pambies at Styleform. Those people at Styleforum REALLY did not take well to people posting in the Gustin forum that more work shirt styles were needed, or that a change to the overall style of the button down was needed. So, I think that is dead in the water. They're not gonna listen to us. They see their main clientele as not denimheads, but much more down the middle kinda fellas. Just my take. The strange thing about this argument is that the button-down collar is a weird choice for the traditionalist. What you'll see with most brands is that the style changes based on the fabric, so a traditional flannel doesn't have a button down collar, where an oxford-cloth typically will, so if they were being terribly conservative, they would actually give the people what they want. I think it's more that the design is the only branding element, so they feel justified in not changing any of the details. As it is now, someone can tell it's a Gustin shirt by the scoops, if someone knows what a Gustin shirt is. The thing that I think they're underestimating, though, is that if I'm wearing a kickass shirt without weird style choices, people will ask where I got the shirt and then go seek one out themselves, and Gustin would have a new customer. Gustin does, however, realize that there are other brands out there that do fulfill these needs, so they don't seem to care about diversifying within their shirting. As fabric-snobs, we find that infuriating because they are simply the best at offering unique fabrics, so if we want a different style the best we can hope for is that there was enough of it for Gustin to get some and Proper Cloth/Ratio/Whoever happens to get ahold of it too. In the end, though, I think the online people are the weird ones, obsessing about fabric and length, button style and alignment. The majority of men don't seem to care, and just wear whatever their girlfriend or wife tells them to (and for the majority, this is a good thing). |
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Post by devastitis on Oct 14, 2015 9:52:52 GMT -6
This is sorta what I believe. Styleforum is full of some reallll goobers. A lot of the people in the "Streetwear" section of the forum bleed over/stop in from the uber conservative "Classic Menswear" section, where it is an arms race on who can look the most stuffy and dress the most like a 50s Businessman. Josh Gustin and the Gustin brand folks have a thread there, and they make no appearances on any other forum. Mr. Gustin himself seems to be a pretty conservative dresser, and listens to and apparently feels some camaraderie with the largely conservatively-dressed namby pambies at Styleform. Those people at Styleforum REALLY did not take well to people posting in the Gustin forum that more work shirt styles were needed, or that a change to the overall style of the button down was needed. So, I think that is dead in the water. They're not gonna listen to us. They see their main clientele as not denimheads, but much more down the middle kinda fellas. Just my take. The strange thing about this argument is that the button-down collar is a weird choice for the traditionalist. What you'll see with most brands is that the style changes based on the fabric, so a traditional flannel doesn't have a button down collar, where an oxford-cloth typically will, so if they were being terribly conservative, they would actually give the people what they want. I think it's more that the design is the only branding element, so they feel justified in not changing any of the details. As it is now, someone can tell it's a Gustin shirt by the scoops, if someone knows what a Gustin shirt is. The thing that I think they're underestimating, though, is that if I'm wearing a kickass shirt without weird style choices, people will ask where I got the shirt and then go seek one out themselves, and Gustin would have a new customer. Gustin does, however, realize that there are other brands out there that do fulfill these needs, so they don't seem to care about diversifying within their shirting. As fabric-snobs, we find that infuriating because they are simply the best at offering unique fabrics, so if we want a different style the best we can hope for is that there was enough of it for Gustin to get some and Proper Cloth/Ratio/Whoever happens to get ahold of it too. In the end, though, I think the online people are the weird ones, obsessing about fabric and length, button style and alignment. The majority of men don't seem to care, and just wear whatever their girlfriend or wife tells them to (and for the majority, this is a good thing). |
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Post by DigDug on Oct 14, 2015 9:54:41 GMT -6
I'm not knocking Gustin for the direction they are going. Good for them for sticking to what they believe in and it seems to be working just fine. But if it is stalling (as in shirt sales slowing down) then it's time to mix it up. Time for a new shirt style.
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Post by bugula on Oct 14, 2015 10:03:01 GMT -6
but Gustin caters to the online people as its offerings are only available online. i have to think that the niche is actually the casual shopper that stumbles across them vs. the diehard.
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Post by exophobe on Oct 14, 2015 10:04:18 GMT -6
but Gustin caters to the online people as its offerings are only available online. i have to think that the niche is actually the casual shopper that stumbles across them vs. the diehard.  |
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Post by DigDug on Oct 14, 2015 10:11:04 GMT -6
but Gustin caters to the online people as its offerings are only available online. i have to think that the niche is actually the casual shopper that stumbles across them vs. the diehard. Naw, I think at first it was the Gustin Zealot that bought 5,6+ shirts. That customer may now be waning. |
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Post by devastitis on Oct 14, 2015 10:14:30 GMT -6
but Gustin caters to the online people as its offerings are only available online. i have to think that the niche is actually the casual shopper that stumbles across them vs. the diehard. Yeah, they cater to the former slob crowd, who are trying to find their style. |
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Post by brentkuz on Oct 14, 2015 10:19:23 GMT -6
I honesty do obsess over fit. I constantly critique everything I wear and the fit. Honestly I am convinced nothing I have fits perfectly haha.
Maybe nothing ever will or I need bespoke everything. Sleeve length, overall length, chest, waist etc. Then I have a shirt that fits great but when you put your sportcoat on you question it again. Sleeve length is enough cuff showing, is this the right collar. It's insane.
I am getting better. I think it stems for making my uniform perfect and if it wasn't getting yelled at. But damn it drives me crazy.
I want to sell everything but one pair of boots and one pair of jeans. Just wear white T shirts all the time.
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Post by devastitis on Oct 14, 2015 10:36:37 GMT -6
I honesty do obsess over fit. I constantly critique everything I wear and the fit. Honestly I am convinced nothing I have fits perfectly haha. Maybe nothing ever will or I need bespoke everything. Sleeve length, overall length, chest, waist etc. Then I have a shirt that fits great but when you put your sportcoat on you question it again. Sleeve length is enough cuff showing, is this the right collar. It's insane. I am getting better. I think it stems for making my uniform perfect and if it wasn't getting yelled at. But damn it drives me crazy. I want to sell everything but one pair of boots and one pair of jeans. Just wear white T shirts all the time. nothing ever will because you're probably like me who gains and loses 15 lbs throughout the year, and go through periods of working out and periods of slacking off. |
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Post by ickes on Oct 14, 2015 12:31:34 GMT -6
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Post by Griffin on Oct 14, 2015 12:46:58 GMT -6
I honesty do obsess over fit. I constantly critique everything I wear and the fit. Honestly I am convinced nothing I have fits perfectly haha. Maybe nothing ever will or I need bespoke everything. Sleeve length, overall length, chest, waist etc. Then I have a shirt that fits great but when you put your sportcoat on you question it again. Sleeve length is enough cuff showing, is this the right collar. It's insane. I am getting better. I think it stems for making my uniform perfect and if it wasn't getting yelled at. But damn it drives me crazy. I want to sell everything but one pair of boots and one pair of jeans. Just wear white T shirts all the time. One thing that helps is wear the same jeans and shirt for a year, then you stop even looking in the mirror and its kinda great to not think "what am i gonna wear today". The shirt needs Washing sometimes but still it helps alot. |
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Post by brentkuz on Oct 14, 2015 12:48:56 GMT -6
I honesty do obsess over fit. I constantly critique everything I wear and the fit. Honestly I am convinced nothing I have fits perfectly haha. Maybe nothing ever will or I need bespoke everything. Sleeve length, overall length, chest, waist etc. Then I have a shirt that fits great but when you put your sportcoat on you question it again. Sleeve length is enough cuff showing, is this the right collar. It's insane. I am getting better. I think it stems for making my uniform perfect and if it wasn't getting yelled at. But damn it drives me crazy. I want to sell everything but one pair of boots and one pair of jeans. Just wear white T shirts all the time. One thing that helps is wear the same jeans and shirt for a year, then you stop even looking in the mirror and its kinda great to not think "what am i gonna wear today". The shirt needs Washing sometimes but still it helps alot. Yeah I'm kinda at that point. 633's replacing my Zimbs as my daily pair. 21oz is warm for me so fall is the first time I really have worn them. Just donated some BR chinos. Man they got washing machine fade/marks horrible. |
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Post by ickes on Oct 14, 2015 15:01:58 GMT -6
I've never paid attention to styleforum...hmm...might have to jump over there every now and then for shits and giggles |
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Post by DigDug on Oct 14, 2015 16:31:24 GMT -6
ickes it's kind of fun to get them a little ruffled. And to remind Josh G that there's an entire group over here.
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Post by davelewis on Oct 14, 2015 16:46:33 GMT -6
One thing that helps is wear the same jeans and shirt for a year, then you stop even looking in the mirror and its kinda great to not think "what am i gonna wear today". The shirt needs Washing sometimes but still it helps alot. Yeah I'm kinda at that point. 633's replacing my Zimbs as my daily pair. 21oz is warm for me so fall is the first time I really have worn them. Just donated some BR chinos. Man they got washing machine fade/marks horrible. How many washes did you have into your BRs? I've got a pair, and wash them inside out/hang dry, without consequence, but don't wash them unless they need it. |
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