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Post by stinky on Oct 8, 2014 16:05:44 GMT -6
Maybe their ruler says the scoop is not as big as it looks.
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Post by warpnweft on Oct 8, 2014 16:09:52 GMT -6
I think it looks just fine, maybe a tad high, but nothing to bitch about
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 16:13:58 GMT -6
Guys it could also be the model? Maybe fit wise it rides up higher? i don't know if the model would make much of a difference, as the gusset to tail distance would remain the same. but...i do think it looks more dramatic due to the stiff-ish fabric and it not really curving well around the body in the photo. the scoop on the work shirts does seem more pronounced/steep to me than the standard shirts (even though they indicate they're lessened), but i think (hope?) this particular photo is a bit misleading due to angle/perspective |
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Post by jamesr on Oct 8, 2014 16:35:54 GMT -6
Ugh. That scoop looks way too deep. Didn't they say the scoop is not as prominent on the WS as it is on the regular shirts? Has anyone ever told them they think the scoops look great? Serious question. I remember a lot of folks stating that they thought it was too dramatic, but some it doesn't bother. Some have said the shirts feel like it is somewhat of a "penis curtain". I cannot remember anyone saying, "Damn, that scoop is great and one of the reasons I keep coming back to Gustin's shirts." But I have read people expressing the opposite. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 16:48:16 GMT -6
I remember a lot of folks stating that they thought it was too dramatic, but some it doesn't bother. Some have said the shirts feel like it is somewhat of a "penis curtain". I cannot remember anyone saying, "Damn, that scoop is great and one of the reasons I keep coming back to Gustin's shirts." But I have read people expressing the opposite. The scope is definitely not great especially I have two upcoming work shirts. This is not cool. |
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Post by ickes on Oct 8, 2014 16:55:59 GMT -6
Ugh. That scoop looks way too deep. Didn't they say the scoop is not as prominent on the WS as it is on the regular shirts? Has anyone ever told them they think the scoops look great? Serious question. lol...I doubt it |
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Post by DigDug on Oct 8, 2014 17:10:50 GMT -6
If the shirts to long and the scoops to deep it'll suck. But I'll hold my opinion till I've got mine on.
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Post by davelewis on Oct 8, 2014 17:22:36 GMT -6
Maybe their ruler says the scoop is not as big as it looks. Hope they measure it right. |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 8, 2014 18:17:58 GMT -6
If the shirts to long and the scoops to deep it'll suck. But I'll hold my opinion till I've got mine on. This is my worry as I like my shirts like these   |
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Post by DigDug on Oct 8, 2014 18:21:04 GMT -6
Looks/style aside. Having them higher may be more function then forum. Easier access to your pockets. But it'll still need to look right.
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Post by warpnweft on Oct 8, 2014 18:22:52 GMT -6
Giles & Iron Heart a tough combo to match....
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Post by davelewis on Oct 8, 2014 18:24:31 GMT -6
Dirty, I'm with ya. IH does it right. You see, the frustrating thing for me is that in the beginning, the old school group were pitching this right here, from day one. But I feel with Gustin, is that they don't want to just copy what works, but have to put their touches on it. That is OK if it is an improvement, but I think with dramatic scoops, it is not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 18:26:47 GMT -6
Arggghhh...those scoops are still looking dangerously high to me! I'm a bit worried now as I have two on order, but i will say I like the looks of this Japan Khaki WS...well what I can see of it anyways but it needs CONTRAST STITCHING. White would be cool, black would be cool...yeah My lesson learned from my current Rogue Territory ws is that slightly high scoops are a GOOD thing. WS's button down fairly low from most images I've seen. When standing/walking, small or no scoops is a no issue... as soon as you sit down, you see the problem. Every time I sit, I have to hike up the bottom part of my shirt to many belt line |
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Post by warpnweft on Oct 8, 2014 18:34:37 GMT -6
The man has a point. on some work shirts (& westerns) there's little to no scoop at all, and you're pretty much relegated to keeping your last button undone.........or hiking it up like a skirt ala untucked with Gustins I'm really just worried about the length, not so much the scoops |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 8, 2014 18:44:43 GMT -6
This is why sometimes it is good to just splurge here & there to get something right. Its not in my cards to have everything cost $400 in my wardrobe but for me when I buy a work shirt I buy it to wear it almost daily as a jacket. My IH 12 oz denim western, the Hickory stripe & the IHSH-54 Flannel I had were worn on top of other shirts like jackets pretty much daily. If G can get a WS right, there would be a lot less shopping around by anyone
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 19:44:28 GMT -6
This is why sometimes it is good to just splurge here & there to get something right. Its not in my cards to have everything cost $400 in my wardrobe but for me when I buy a work shirt I buy it to wear it almost daily as a jacket. My IH 12 oz denim western, the Hickory stripe & the IHSH-54 Flannel I had were worn on top of other shirts like jackets pretty much daily. If G can get a WS right, there would be a lot less shopping around by anyone If the Gustin work shirt fits like the button down I got yesterday, the chest is so tight and I don't believe it can be wear as a Jacket. Cannot size up either since the sleeves are already too long. More I think about it, this is very likely to end badly. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 22:49:51 GMT -6
How long is the chain stitch runoff? This is crucial shit fellas. I hate when the chain stitch runoff is too short, the girls at the town brothel laugh at my inadequacy. Yeah....so anyway..... I sized up and went slim in the WS after trying a G oxford and having a serious "wtf is this thing" moment. Blouse. Currently in GF "boyfriend/nightshirt" rotation. Looks better on her  The fit guide looks ok for a slim XL WS except it's a bit long. My plan was (still is) to get the XL slim, have a tailor trim an inch or two off the wiener curtain and trim the back up a bit as well. Reduce the scoop severity and overall length, not an expensive mod. This was before LD came out with their new site and WS etc etc. Still the plan, but not sounding as good now. Still, if these come in well made, dropping a few bucks and customizing the fit won't sting after a couple years wear. Next time I'm in AZ I'll stop by Lawless and get a couple custom shirts made, I'll average my overall WS costs down. Or I'll just have a beer and forget the whole mess. My head hurts. |
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Post by exophobe on Oct 11, 2014 23:23:17 GMT -6
Will... There's a level of discomfort inherent in purchasing something that doesn't exist yet off of the BST, and you know how the forum activity has slumped since the Mr Randal incident. Especially when it's a product that nobody has tried on yet. They're still funding workshirts without any trouble (RIP Rustic Red), I don't think your inability to sell your pending shirt really reflects how well the workshirt is doing. These are likely shipping before the Lawless workshirt, so you might as well hold on to the doomsaying. If you receive it and hate it as much as you're anticipating, and then sell an actual garment as opposed to the idea of one. People will be more comfortable with the purchase, and there will actually be some sizing/build quality examples in the wild. If it's all Gustin has chalked it up to be, then they will be highly desirable after they ship.
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Post by exophobe on Oct 11, 2014 23:28:07 GMT -6
If the shirts to long and the scoops to deep it'll suck. But I'll hold my opinion till I've got mine on. This is my worry as I like my shirts like these This one actually looks pretty similar to the samples Gustin have posted pictures of (and the others), regarding the scoop, gusset, and runoff. |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 11, 2014 23:44:17 GMT -6
This is my worry as I like my shirts like these This one actually looks pretty similar to the samples Gustin have posted pictures of (and the others), regarding the scoop, gusset, and runoff. Not even close  |
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Post by exophobe on Oct 12, 2014 0:42:46 GMT -6
Don't forget that the models over at Gustin all seem to run about a 30 waist, and we're looking at a direct side shot. The indigo shirt (is that RRL?) is on what looks to be a 36ish waist model, and not buttoned, which allows the back to hang out a bit. I think if they were both at the same angle they'd look similar. Either way, agree to disagree I suppose. Hopefully the first round ships here in the next few weeks so we can stop speculating on the things and decide whether we like them or not.
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Post by highlights on Oct 12, 2014 2:00:39 GMT -6
In terms of all the basics (& more), IH often sets a sound reference point, for sure. Cast my verdict upon receipt of SakeBomber. Sure hope G is fully alerted that these babies gotta be on the money...I think they'll be cool...hope I'm right.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 2:20:40 GMT -6
In terms of all the basics (& more), IH often sets a sound reference point, for sure. Cast my verdict upon receipt of SakeBomber. Sure hope G is fully alerted that these babies gotta be on the money...I think they'll be cool...hope I'm right. On the money will no longer be good enough... If LD comes in "on the money" Gustin loses my money. Point blank. If quality is equal and money is the only discerning factor..... |
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Post by highlights on Oct 12, 2014 5:23:21 GMT -6
Well, untucked...I've learned my lesson 'bout tryin' to out-denimize you,  ...yeah, I hear ya brah but we still got Gshirts on order - so I hope they come up trumps for all of us &, like you & others, I wish G all the very best - so I hope the workshirts go well for their sake too. TOTALLY support your call re. Lawless. Roman looks to me as if he might be "come the moment, come the man" or similar but, frankly (though I venerate some Asian & Euro denim etc), nothing would be more heartening than to see ANY US Made denim brand get the party started/rock it up...DO IT RIGHT, FOR THE PEOPLE...get the kids dancin' & workin' (in/on denim)!!! |
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Post by davelewis on Oct 12, 2014 13:00:52 GMT -6
In terms of all the basics (& more), IH often sets a sound reference point, for sure. Cast my verdict upon receipt of SakeBomber. Sure hope G is fully alerted that these babies gotta be on the money...I think they'll be cool...hope I'm right. On the money will no longer be good enough... If LD comes in "on the money" Gustin loses my money. Point blank. If quality is equal and money is the only discerning factor..... With you 100% on that. Roman has already put up way more materials, and options in a short time, than Gustin could ever dream about. I'm waiting to see how my shirts are, before really going crazy. If he nails it, he business will thrive. |
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...yeah, I hear ya brah but we still got Gshirts on order - so I hope they come up trumps for all of us &, like you & others, I wish G all the very best - so I hope the workshirts go well for their sake too. TOTALLY support your call re. Lawless. Roman looks to me as if he might be "come the moment, come the man" or similar but, frankly (though I venerate some Asian & Euro denim etc), nothing would be more heartening than to see ANY US Made denim brand get the party started/rock it up...DO IT RIGHT, FOR THE PEOPLE...get the kids dancin' & workin' (in/on denim)!!!