Sizing Cf based on former knowledge

Strange because it seems like the measurements are the same. Ciano 31= 12" Thigh and 8" knee.

G 31= 11.95" Thigh and a 7.75" knee.

I think I need a 32 Ciano with the waist cut to a 33 not 35 lol.

Seems like sizing down 1 or 2 tagsize from G is working for most, and with the slim they will be slimmer then G slim. Sound perfect. Now i just need to figure out one or two down.

Back to square 1!

I'm sort of going through your points backwards, but yes, the point on the thigh makes a big difference given the pretty aggressive taper at that point on the typical 5-pocket cut. You should be able to get the equivalent off of your Gustins, though, by measuring 1" down like Ciano on your Gustin 33 slim. The place that I really noticed a difference (in same actual size comparisons) between the Gustin slim and the Ciano slim is in the rise, and they generally feel slimmer, which is probably a good thing for you, depending on how you're doing between the knee and the ankle on Gustin. If they're tight through the calf, I recommend either sizing up the Ciano slim or switching to the straight. 

The Ciano shrink guidelines are based on an actual wash or soak of the fabric. "Raw" sanforized denim most definitely shrinks, though it tends to be in the 1-2% range as opposed to upwards of 5% for unsanforized and loomstate -- also keep in mind that less resistance over the length of the run means the inseam will shrink more than the waist, and while I've seen waist shrinkage be fairly minimal, I've never seen less than 1" lost in the inseam on any pair of unwashed denim. 

To put all that gobbledygook simply, I wear a 33 slim (though lately I've just been ordering 34 slim so they're easier on the hips) in Gustin, and have a pair of 32 slim from Ciano. if the Gustin slim is already a slim fit on you, I'd recommend the Ciano straight fit. If the Gustin slim is loose in most places, especially the calf, and the rise is higher than you like, then the slim fit is going to be great. Given what you're describing above, depending on fabric, I'd say you're better off sizing down in the straight. If all this is more than you want to think about and you don't mind spending a little more money, find a great fitting pair of jeans, thrown them in a box or an envelope and send them to Ciano, asking him to develop a custom pattern for you off of them -- though if you're just looking for a one-off pair of jeans from him this is cost prohibitive.

Are you asking me to go measure my jeans to prove that I don't know how they fit when I'm wearing them? If I'm saying all these things from experience and you're doubting me, go measure your jeans and let me know I'm wrong. Regardless of the numbers you get, it won't change the fact that my 32 slim Ciano jeans are slimmer with a lower rise than all of my Gustin 33 slims. If you're doing a custom pattern my experience doesn't matter anyway, I don't know why you'd order a custom pattern and then request the same size as the fit guide.

A custom pattern is where you request the specific measurements, they develop a pattern, and then sew your jeans around that. If you were to order a custom pattern that matches the measurements of one of the existing cuts (the slim, I can never remember if it's 901 or 905), which would be a match to the pair I have since I didn't get a custom pattern, it would be a waste of the $68 or whatever he is charging for custom pattern right now. How did you go about getting the measurements you supplied for the custom pattern?

I don't want to be a harbinger of doom, and I really wish you the best, but that sounds like it's going to be extremely painful in 23oz even if you do squeeze into them.

Thanks for this thread guys, I switched my 31's to a 32 - 901 cut. I wear a 34 slim in Gustin, normally prefer a 34.5 waist with a 12 inch thigh so we will see.

He didn't follow your directions? That's not good.

cassaruby - what did you request on the thigh? Did we talk about this before?

Edit: it was right in my face when I hit submit... They may not have been able to physically bridge the difference to 10.7 from a 35+ waist. I'm sure he'd be happy to explain it if you give him a call.

This is the answer  was looking for.  So if I get chinos, I would likely do a hot wash.

I was trying to figure this out as I was assuming that not much shrinkage would occur with the duck.