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Post by jdtmn on Oct 24, 2015 14:47:30 GMT -6
we'll maybe they weren't so bad after all, lets see if thye can recover Seriously?!?! I sure hope this is sarcasm. After over a year of waiting and having to pursue chargebacks and reading endless accounts of them providing zero responses to paying customers, suspected of starting up a new KS campaign under a new name, and flat out lying to many, they happen to drop a shirt in the mail and everything is now maybe ok?  Like many others, I pursued a chargeback via AmEx but was told it falls outside their realm of control. I refuse to let anyone reading get the impression things may be back on track because they ship one shirt out! |
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Post by bigblack on Oct 24, 2015 15:25:25 GMT -6
we'll maybe they weren't so bad after all, lets see if thye can recover Seriously?!?! I sure hope this is sarcasm. After over a year of waiting and having to pursue chargebacks and reading endless accounts of them providing zero responses to paying customers, suspected of starting up a new KS campaign under a new name, and flat out lying to many, they happen to drop a shirt in the mail and everything is now maybe ok? Like many others, I pursued a chargeback via AmEx but was told it falls outside their realm of control. I refuse to let anyone reading get the impression things may be back on track because they ship one shirt out! I guess you didn't read @stevekas's post |
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Post by ickes on Oct 24, 2015 15:36:25 GMT -6
guys I'm 99.99% certain that bigblack was being sarcastic with that post...I'm pretty sure some caught that but just for those that didn't. |
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Post by scooter on Oct 24, 2015 15:44:39 GMT -6
Seriously?!?! I sure hope this is sarcasm. After over a year of waiting and having to pursue chargebacks and reading endless accounts of them providing zero responses to paying customers, suspected of starting up a new KS campaign under a new name, and flat out lying to many, they happen to drop a shirt in the mail and everything is now maybe ok? Like many others, I pursued a chargeback via AmEx but was told it falls outside their realm of control. I refuse to let anyone reading get the impression things may be back on track because they ship one shirt out! I guess you didn't read @stevekas's post Well played, sir. Well played ! |
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Post by bigblack on Oct 24, 2015 16:17:19 GMT -6
I'm just joking everyone. LD sending me my order doesn't cure the fact they have taken money from 1000s of other people. I really have no idea why they randomly sent me my shirt. It could possibly be a start to sending our completed orders for people that did not do chargebacks. I really don't know the reason
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Post by ickes on Oct 24, 2015 16:27:38 GMT -6
bigblack what was the return address on your package? Just curious. I know the package is not at your residence but I'd be curious to know.
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Post by bigblack on Oct 24, 2015 16:59:52 GMT -6
bigblack what was the return address on your package? Just curious. I know the package is not at your residence but I'd be curious to know. 15 E Jackson St #111, Phoenix, AZ 85004 |
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Post by ickes on Oct 24, 2015 17:31:21 GMT -6
Thanks. So that's the address to their old shop.
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Post by matt on Oct 24, 2015 17:55:13 GMT -6
Thanks. So that's the address to their old shop. That location in question has been the source of many a failed business entity for RA. No surprise that it's the return address label. Then again, actually surprised it didn't come from LA or wherever that production shop was located. |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 24, 2015 18:40:31 GMT -6
Taking a guess here but Manny made around 600 "items" in which those items were then brought to the LD shop for delivery. Someone on here mentioned Manny saying Roman didnt have money to ship so I am sure there are 599 other items somewhere in Phoenix . I am sure BB's shirt was part of those orders.
If Roman is listening: Why dont you let everyone know you have orders waiting to be delivered but you need the cash to cover shipping.
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Post by matt on Oct 24, 2015 18:50:47 GMT -6
Taking a guess here but Manny made around 600 "items" in which those items were then brought to the LD shop for delivery. Someone on here mentioned Manny saying Roman didnt have money to ship so I am sure there are 599 other items somewhere in Phoenix . I am sure BB's shirt was part of those orders. If Roman is listening: Why dont you let everyone know you have orders waiting to be delivered but you need the cash to cover shipping. Exactly. I mentioned this before - confirm the orders waiting to be shipped and let the recipients provide pre-paid shipping to RA. Send him a package with return postage to deliver the good at our own cost. An inconvenience for international orders, but I'd venture to guess a lot of people would pay $5-10 to send an Express mail box to RA. Of course, that would make sense and also require him to acknowledge that many of the orders that were "on the cutting table" were actually never made. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 21:47:54 GMT -6
Taking a guess here but Manny made around 600 "items" in which those items were then brought to the LD shop for delivery. Someone on here mentioned Manny saying Roman didnt have money to ship so I am sure there are 599 other items somewhere in Phoenix . I am sure BB's shirt was part of those orders. If Roman is listening: Why dont you let everyone know you have orders waiting to be delivered but you need the cash to cover shipping. Exactly. I mentioned this before - confirm the orders waiting to be shipped and let the recipients provide pre-paid shipping to RA. Send him a package with return postage to deliver the good at our own cost. An inconvenience for international orders, but I'd venture to guess a lot of people would pay $5-10 to send an Express mail box to RA. Of course, that would make sense and also require him to acknowledge that many of the orders that were "on the cutting table" were actually never made. There is no way anyone should pay for shipping a 2nd time for what more or less amounts to a mystery item made with potentially random fabric, random finish options, and random sizing. |
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Post by derek on Oct 24, 2015 21:55:37 GMT -6
Anyone else think too many snaps? 4 snaps on the pockets seem like overkill. But to each their own. that's a typical/traditional button layout for a sawtooth pocket.  |
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Post by bigblack on Oct 24, 2015 22:26:56 GMT -6
Exactly. I mentioned this before - confirm the orders waiting to be shipped and let the recipients provide pre-paid shipping to RA. Send him a package with return postage to deliver the good at our own cost. An inconvenience for international orders, but I'd venture to guess a lot of people would pay $5-10 to send an Express mail box to RA. Of course, that would make sense and also require him to acknowledge that many of the orders that were "on the cutting table" were actually never made. There is no way anyone should pay for shipping a 2nd time for what more or less amounts to a mystery item made with potentially random fabric, random finish options, and random sizing. I can say my shirt came exactly how i ordered it with the changes I requested months after i submitted the order |
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Post by matt on Oct 24, 2015 22:40:10 GMT -6
I'm not suggesting mass forgiveness and an offering to offer up more money for the CRAPshoot. There are way too many variables that sit in the hands of RA (evidence of correct, complete, accurate orders, and a willingness to ship them), let alone anything from LD representing a willingness to do the right thing. It's merely a suggestion of there was some way to validate the remaining "599" that RA is sitting on for no other reason than to a) keep the AZAG off his back, b) collateral for the impression to fool would-be partners into thinking there is something favorable to result from partnering, or c) a reason we haven't figured out yet, but probably should so he doesn't manipulate more people with said idea. Shipping the items isn't the end goal - We're talking about approximately $2-3k...that's an amount that he could easily fool someone close to him into helping do the right thing. But they haven't...which makes this feel like an act of spite on his part. Stay classy RA.
BigBlack is clearly the exception and not the rule. 172 pages in this thread sums that up.
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Post by exophobe on Oct 25, 2015 1:42:19 GMT -6
If he had the thing sitting in a box and was simply unable to pay the postage, and I sent him a label, he couldn't do anything with that label other than ship something to me, and if I use something like stamps.com I wouldn't have to pay for it if he never printed the label and shipped it to me. I would not send him more money to ship at this point, but I would email a postage label that he could print, tape to a box, and give that box to the post office. I would rather not do such a thing, but if he were sitting on my completed orders and told me he couldn't pay to ship them, I'd be happier to figure something out with him rather than never get what I ordered.
I don't expect anything, though.
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Post by devastitis on Oct 25, 2015 4:26:19 GMT -6
If he had the thing sitting in a box and was simply unable to pay the postage, and I sent him a label, he couldn't do anything with that label other than ship something to me, and if I use something like stamps.com I wouldn't have to pay for it if he never printed the label and shipped it to me. I would not send him more money to ship at this point, but I would email a postage label that he could print, tape to a box, and give that box to the post office. I would rather not do such a thing, but if he were sitting on my completed orders and told me he couldn't pay to ship them, I'd be happier to figure something out with him rather than never get what I ordered. I don't expect anything, though. I agree. Having to pay for shipping a second time sucks, but if it'll get you your order, that's already crazy dirt cheap, then I don't see why you wouldn't, risk of them not fitting and all. But none of this matters because RA is RA, and he can't be trusted to even get this right. |
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Post by jeffrx on Oct 25, 2015 7:10:24 GMT -6
I would seriously rather not get anything than send this dude any further form of currency.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 9:35:16 GMT -6
someone receiving a surprise item is sure to stir up some fervor...maybe a dash of hope for some...but everyone should remember that you're talking about a sociopath. this is someone who you've witnessed re-brand at least twice, change his public URL at least twice, inform customers of issues only via social media, refuse to respond to customer inquiries via any social media outlet in a meaningful and honest way, refuse to respond to customers directly via phone/email in a meaningful and honest way, continually blame all of his issues on employees, demanding customers, and 'haters', chain his doors and disconnect phone service while still claiming to be fully operational, and finally...failing to complete and/or ship products ordered 9-15 months ago.
this doesn't even cover the 2nd hand accounts of incompetence, negligence, and threats.
no one should be holding onto any hope that he will a.) contact individual customers to let them know their order is complete and ready to ship, b.) provide evidence of said order and its accuracy, c.) ship what was discussed in a timely manner.
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Post by davelewis on Oct 25, 2015 11:09:08 GMT -6
someone receiving a surprise item is sure to stir up some fervor...maybe a dash of hope for some...but everyone should remember that you're talking about a sociopath. this is someone who you've witnessed re-brand at least twice, change his public URL at least twice, inform customers of issues only via social media, refuse to respond to customer inquiries via any social media outlet in a meaningful and honest way, refuse to respond to customers directly via phone/email in a meaningful and honest way, continually blame all of his issues on employees, demanding customers, and 'haters', chain his doors and disconnect phone service while still claiming to be fully operational, and finally...failing to complete and/or ship products ordered 9-15 months ago. this doesn't even cover the 2nd hand accounts of incompetence, negligence, and threats. no one should be holding onto any hope that he will a.) contact individual customers to let them know their order is complete and ready to ship, b.) provide evidence of said order and its accuracy, c.) ship what was discussed in a timely manner. I think this is it, in a nutshell. |
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Post by matt on Oct 25, 2015 11:20:40 GMT -6
someone receiving a surprise item is sure to stir up some fervor...maybe a dash of hope for some...but everyone should remember that you're talking about a sociopath. this is someone who you've witnessed re-brand at least twice, change his public URL at least twice, inform customers of issues only via social media, refuse to respond to customer inquiries via any social media outlet in a meaningful and honest way, refuse to respond to customers directly via phone/email in a meaningful and honest way, continually blame all of his issues on employees, demanding customers, and 'haters', chain his doors and disconnect phone service while still claiming to be fully operational, and finally...failing to complete and/or ship products ordered 9-15 months ago. this doesn't even cover the 2nd hand accounts of incompetence, negligence, and threats. no one should be holding onto any hope that he will a.) contact individual customers to let them know their order is complete and ready to ship, b.) provide evidence of said order and its accuracy, c.) ship what was discussed in a timely manner. 100% spot on. I think we're using this thread as more of a "what-if" because we've heard in the past that he (or his flame fanning gf and partner in corruption) still stalk the forums, to provide those idiots with a solution since they've proven inept to find one on their own. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 11:28:40 GMT -6
someone receiving a surprise item is sure to stir up some fervor...maybe a dash of hope for some...but everyone should remember that you're talking about a sociopath. this is someone who you've witnessed re-brand at least twice, change his public URL at least twice, inform customers of issues only via social media, refuse to respond to customer inquiries via any social media outlet in a meaningful and honest way, refuse to respond to customers directly via phone/email in a meaningful and honest way, continually blame all of his issues on employees, demanding customers, and 'haters', chain his doors and disconnect phone service while still claiming to be fully operational, and finally...failing to complete and/or ship products ordered 9-15 months ago. this doesn't even cover the 2nd hand accounts of incompetence, negligence, and threats. no one should be holding onto any hope that he will a.) contact individual customers to let them know their order is complete and ready to ship, b.) provide evidence of said order and its accuracy, c.) ship what was discussed in a timely manner. 100% spot on. I think we're using this thread as more of a "what-if" because we've heard in the past that he (or his flame fanning gf and partner in corruption) still stalk the forums, to provide those idiots with a solution since they've proven inept to find one on their own. i get that...but if this board is proof of anything, it's that he is fundamentally incapable of taking advice. there is a book's worth of pages here spanning back to the earliest KS days of people trying to assist with business, production, branding, operations...etc...all of which fell on deaf, narcissistic ears. i don't foresee that changing at any point, no matter how options are presented here. |
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Post by matt on Oct 25, 2015 11:32:19 GMT -6
100% spot on. I think we're using this thread as more of a "what-if" because we've heard in the past that he (or his flame fanning gf and partner in corruption) still stalk the forums, to provide those idiots with a solution since they've proven inept to find one on their own. i get that...but if this board is proof of anything, it's that he is fundamentally incapable of taking advice. there is a book's worth of pages here spanning back to the earliest KS days of people trying to assist with business, production, branding, operations...etc...all of which fell on deaf, narcissistic ears. i don't foresee that changing at any point, no matter how options are presented here. I'm not disagreeing with you. It's almost a novelty to spell it out to his stupid ass, especially if he ever resurfaces and attempts an act of remorse. |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 25, 2015 13:33:18 GMT -6
Roman is an extremely rare breed of man and thats a compliment , who simply chose the wrong shoulder to listen to. I honestly think he couldn't have handled this any worse. I know businesses fail all the time for many reasons but I truly believe Lawless could have been successful and maybe even great if Roman would have trusted those around him .
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Post by overdrawn on Oct 26, 2015 3:52:55 GMT -6
.... regarding the shipped shirt ... the first thought that came into my mind was: "that´s a package sent months ago, it was floating around the US, sat in some postal hubs before someone at USPS or FedEx found it again and finally delivered"
Do we know when it was shipped? Might be months ago!
Just a thought,
overdRAWn
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Like many others, I pursued a chargeback via AmEx but was told it falls outside their realm of control. I refuse to let anyone reading get the impression things may be back on track because they ship one shirt out!
