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Post by exophobe on Feb 13, 2015 7:57:40 GMT -6
Just gonna say, from the outside everything looks a lot simpler than it ever is. Universal truth. This is why everything takes twice as long as your brain tells you it will.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 8:38:14 GMT -6
My friend owns a clothing company and he is also a designer. I saw him take a piece of clothing from a well known designer to the factory and he told the shop to make adjustments to the collar, pocket, shoulder and so on for his "sample". Couple more rounds of adjustments of that sample and the factory made the first run of his clothings.
He has three store fronts and I think he "designs" about 50-70 items every season. Some factories also have some ready to made items in their showrooms and he can make adjustments and use them for his own label.
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Post by ickes on Feb 13, 2015 11:12:10 GMT -6
I'm not paying much mind to the last faded swatch sample of the Japan Viridian that looks like stone wash/acid wash mom jeans. I don't understand why Gustin put that swatch sample in there but I think that if you took any indigo fabric they have sold and artificially advanced the fading to the extent they did on that swatch, then everyone of them would look just like that. I don't think that if I bought the Viridians that they would ever get faded to the point that they actually looked like that during their life cycle with me. I think it would take years and years and years to get to that point. Every single Indigo pair we own will eventually look like that after many years, would it not?
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Post by exophobe on Feb 13, 2015 11:25:48 GMT -6
I'm not paying much mind to the last faded swatch sample of the Japan Viridian that looks like stone wash/acid wash mom jeans. I don't understand why Gustin put that swatch sample in there but I think that if you took any indigo fabric they have sold and artificially advanced the fading to the extent they did on that swatch, then everyone of them would look just like that. I don't think that if I bought the Viridians that they would ever get faded to the point that they actually looked like that during their life cycle with me. I think it would take years and years and years to get to that point. Every single Indigo pair we own will eventually look like that after many years, would it not? That swatch literally looks acid washed, but I would stop wearing a pair of jeans long before that happened, I would think. Maybe if you wash your clothes in a rock tumbler and washed hem weekly you'd get there. What's crazy to me is all those darn pictures and not a single shot of the weft. I get that it's probably white, "nothing to see here" but hell, I'm prefunding based on a picture of a piece of the fabric, SHOW ME THE DANG WEFT! |
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Post by stinky on Feb 13, 2015 11:43:07 GMT -6
I'm not paying much mind to the last faded swatch sample of the Japan Viridian that looks like stone wash/acid wash mom jeans. I don't understand why Gustin put that swatch sample in there but I think that if you took any indigo fabric they have sold and artificially advanced the fading to the extent they did on that swatch, then everyone of them would look just like that. I don't think that if I bought the Viridians that they would ever get faded to the point that they actually looked like that during their life cycle with me. I think it would take years and years and years to get to that point. Every single Indigo pair we own will eventually look like that after many years, would it not? sadly, none of this fixes the tonal issue . . . |
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Post by julian on Feb 13, 2015 12:03:23 GMT -6
Every single Indigo pair we own will eventually look like that after many years, would it not? If the fabric lasted long enough, yes. Those fades everyone loves? Well, they only look good due to the contrast against the far less worn/non-faded areas, which remain - by far - the majority of the fabric. If it were possible to wear the jeans long enough, the entire fabric would end up the same colour as the faded areas/whiskers etc. and they'd look absolutely terrible. That's why acid wash and bleach wash look so atrocious (general 80's connotations aside). |
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Post by exophobe on Feb 13, 2015 12:16:02 GMT -6
sadly, none of this fixes the tonal issue . . . As one who saw all the "ghetto fabulous" comments they used to get using traditional contrast stitching on non-indigo denim (I remember the slate campaign with comments on the campaign page), I honestly don't blame them for their reserved use of the contrast stitching for anything but indigo. It seems to be very divisive, but if it's up to me, I don't really want gold stitching on green jeans, either, so I can see both sides. The unique fade of the Viridian makes it seem more blue, but I don't really have an opinion as to whether they're right or wrong on this, I'd kind of leave it up to the designer. I just wish that tonal didn't mean that they lose the blue on the pocket, or their signature red tackers and dual-color inseam stitch. That said, I also haven't really been steered wrong by the tonal or contrast options from Gustin so far, so I'm not going to tell them they've made a huge mistake. I'm guessing that when they say tonal, they actually mean that they'll be using the thread that closest matches the denim, so asking if they're using blue or green probably doesn't matter. Olive green on that denim would still technically contrast, but would still be a tonal thread. Ah well, just comes doen to "if you don't like it, don't back it", with the hope that LD or Ciano get it together enough and start picking up some of these fabrics to where it won't matter to you in the future. With the Japan drops lately, though, it sort of seems like Gustin has an exclusive with whoever they're using (though I don't troll the Pacific Blue site enough to say for certain), or they've picked up enough capital to where they can buy out stock on certain things so none of the other guys can pick it up (which would make sense if you consider how they've handled the Japan Union Blue and Cone Pima Fire deadstock). I still have some jeans pending from Lawless that may or may not be the Japan Union Blue, but I don't know if I'll be able to compare them before fall based on where my other orders are. I think you're best off to consider Gustin like a Tellason, or Taylor and Stitch, where even though you should be able to get pretty direct contact to the people responsible, you don't get to select how they make their clothes. Gustin uses such a vast array of fabrics that we all want to think we have a hand in the design (especially since a lot of people here remember a time where Gustin welcomed this input on their own forum), but really, we don't. It's their deal, they'll make what they want -- they're well beyond the Kickstarter "we welcome all input" stage, and you'll do good by yourself to accept that. |
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Post by Old26 on Feb 13, 2015 12:24:33 GMT -6
sadly, none of this fixes the tonal issue . . . As one who saw all the "ghetto fabulous" comments they used to get using traditional contrast stitching on non-indigo denim (I remember the slate campaign with comments on the campaign page), I honestly don't blame them for their reserved use of the contrast stitching for anything but indigo. It seems to be very divisive, but if it's up to me, I don't really want gold stitching on green jeans, either, so I can see both sides. The unique fade of the Viridian makes it seem more blue, but I don't really have an opinion as to whether they're right or wrong on this, I'd kind of leave it up to the designer. I just wish that tonal didn't mean that they lose the blue on the pocket, or their signature red tackers and dual-color inseam stitch. That said, I also haven't really been steered wrong by the tonal or contrast options from Gustin so far, so I'm not going to tell them they've made a huge mistake. I'm guessing that when they say tonal, they actually mean that they'll be using the thread that closest matches the denim, so asking if they're using blue or green probably doesn't matter. Olive green on that denim would still technically contrast, but would still be a tonal thread. Ah well, just comes doen to "if you don't like it, don't back it", with the hope that LD or Ciano get it together enough and start picking up some of these fabrics to where it won't matter to you in the future. With the Japan drops lately, though, it sort of seems like Gustin has an exclusive with whoever they're using (though I don't troll the Pacific Blue site enough to say for certain), or they've picked up enough capital to where they can buy out stock on certain things so none of the other guys can pick it up (which would make sense if you consider how they've handled the Japan Union Blue and Cone Pima Fire deadstock). I still have some jeans pending from Lawless that may or may not be the Japan Union Blue, but I don't know if I'll be able to compare them before fall based on where my other orders are. I think you're best off to consider Gustin like a Tellason, or Taylor and Stitch, where even though you should be able to get pretty direct contact to the people responsible, you don't get to select how they make their clothes. Gustin uses such a vast array of fabrics that we all want to think we have a hand in the design (especially since a lot of people here remember a time where Gustin welcomed this input on their own forum), but really, we don't. It's their deal, they'll make what they want -- they're well beyond the Kickstarter "we welcome all input" stage, and you'll do good by yourself to accept that. I think at this stage, it would behoove Gustin (and others) to be flexible enough to offer two thread choices on all denims. Not unlimited choices - TWO. One contrast, one tonal. It would mostly fix this debate for all time. |
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Post by stinky on Feb 13, 2015 12:30:28 GMT -6
FTR, I don't even care that much. I likely would have been in on a pair if they were contrast because I like the color, but they're not, so I saved $150ish.
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Post by Old26 on Feb 13, 2015 12:33:54 GMT -6
FTR, I don't even care that much. I likely would have been in on a pair if they were contrast because I like the color, but they're not, so I saved $150ish. They're nice. I like the denim more than most here I guess. I don't like tonal, and I don't like the price. It would have been different had I not 6 pairs of G denims now and maybe ~6 others. |
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Post by ickes on Feb 13, 2015 12:51:49 GMT -6
I just love green cast denim with contrast stitching, it's a nice look imo. The tone of the stitching can matter when they say tonal because as exophobe touched on, a "tonal" stitching can still have a contrast look. I believe the Japan Taupes are an example of that if I recall correctly. |
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Post by bennyrum on Feb 14, 2015 10:48:31 GMT -6
Damn, 17oz denim for <$80? That cobalt flannel also looks good, but they're pushing a lot of flannel that won't be done until the snow melts.
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Post by brentkuz on Feb 14, 2015 11:18:09 GMT -6
Damn, 17oz denim for <$80? That cobalt flannel also looks good, but they're pushing a lot of flannel that won't be done until the snow melts. That is a great deal! No one has received these yet correct? I have $140 in credit maybe I'll burn it. |
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Post by ickes on Feb 14, 2015 11:48:25 GMT -6
Damn, 17oz denim for <$80? That cobalt flannel also looks good, but they're pushing a lot of flannel that won't be done until the snow melts. yup! I'm probably going to cop those 17 ouncers and the Cobalt flannel. Keep in mind that the G flannels aren't exactly monsters though. They aren't super thick so they can be worn in warmer weather than a beefier one. |
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Post by brentkuz on Feb 14, 2015 12:14:08 GMT -6
A 4oz flannel I wear in spring plenty. Most of my polo ones are around 4oz.
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Post by variable on Feb 14, 2015 13:08:52 GMT -6
Backed the 17s; trying the slim cut and downsizing. Figure for the cost, it's worth the risk.
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Post by jamesr on Feb 14, 2015 13:11:41 GMT -6
Argh. I jumped at the 17s when they originally went up back in January. Cost me $17 more and are only now moving into the cutting stage.
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Post by ickes on Feb 17, 2015 12:59:09 GMT -6
well it looks like I'm saving money today. None of the new drops are real exciting imo. Anyone else notice the snuck in a new Heavy American campaign last night?
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Post by brentkuz on Feb 17, 2015 13:10:41 GMT -6
Wow those are some bad drops.
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Post by nater on Feb 17, 2015 13:16:25 GMT -6
Wow those are some bad drops. no kidding. Absolutely nothing I'm interested in. |
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Post by variable on Feb 17, 2015 13:16:39 GMT -6
Wow those are some bad drops. Can't all be winners. Or else I'd be broke. Broke-er. Or something.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 13:18:00 GMT -6
Those Ox2s are one of my favorite pairs so to each their own?
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Post by Mattbert on Feb 17, 2015 13:51:10 GMT -6
Those Ox2s are one of my favorite pairs so to each their own? They look awesome in those "sewn up" pics that G included in this campaign, too. I would probably talk myself into a pair were it not for the black patch. Nothing against the black patch, per se, it's just that I only wear a black belt and black shoes if I'm wearing a suit. And that black patch would be a real eyesore if paired with most anything besides a black belt and black shoes. |
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Post by stinky on Feb 17, 2015 13:58:10 GMT -6
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Post by wdw on Feb 17, 2015 14:01:26 GMT -6
I would have gone for the Ox2s if I hadn't seen Ciano doing the same for $35 (and about 6 weeks) less. I should finally get mine on Friday when I get home, so here's hoping they work out.
Mattbert, why don't you just ditch the patch? I had to do that on my G Naturals when they leaked and stained the denim, and I can't say I've ever thought twice about that or any other patch.
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