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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 21:54:03 GMT -6
ickes, I think it's a bit too heavy to look right as a button down. Hard to say exactly, but it doesn't have a button down vibe... for me at least. It's hard to tell without seeing it. Is 8oz twill really THAT heavy? If so, they should consider going with bigger buttons, and nixing that little back pleat/loop I found this 8oz twill shirt from RT and I don't think it is THAT heavy. www.rogueterritory.com/shop/work-shirt-striped-indigo/Btw, I don't think either one of the twill looks bad but they are not really very special to me either. Since I am neither thin or tall, G shirts are not going to fit me good. Look at some of my Bright Plaid fit photos today and the loose waist is my fit problem. It meant that I have to tuck my shirt. Anyway, check this one out. Not the exact but should have similar feel. www.hickorees.com/brand/the-hill-side/product/n75-059-classic-heavyweight-flannel-scarf-pale-blue--orange-plaid |
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Post by exophobe on Jan 10, 2015 22:19:05 GMT -6
Compared to the 4 and 5oz twill that make up the majority of the shirts, I would venture to guess it's pretty heavy, as far as a Gustin twill oxford goes. The funny thing is, though, given the typical pricing of the Hill Side at Hickorees, that scarf probably cost more than the Gustin shirt on the store right now. |
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Post by ickes on Jan 11, 2015 2:29:48 GMT -6
so it's 1:28 Phx time, I'm drunk, and I just backed the NIxP. Mattbert says I won't regret it. |
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Post by Mattbert on Jan 11, 2015 9:05:35 GMT -6
so it's 1:28 Phx time, I'm drunk, and I just backed the NIxP. Mattbert says I won't regret it. You're right. I won't regret it. |
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Post by Old26 on Jan 11, 2015 10:42:43 GMT -6
so it's 1:28 Phx time, I'm drunk, and I just backed the NIxP. Mattbert says I won't regret it. You're right. I won't regret it. Post of the day... Funny thing ickes, I was drunk too and almost went shopping! LOL!. We were at a wrap party for "Samurai Cop II". You can't make that shit up. Attachments:
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Post by marauder on Jan 11, 2015 18:57:57 GMT -6
It seems that the stock page has no more products to show. I wonder if they sold out everything in stock or it's temporarily down
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Post by quick on Jan 11, 2015 19:08:57 GMT -6
its not down for me
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Post by exophobe on Jan 11, 2015 19:09:20 GMT -6
It seems that the stock page has no more products to show. I wonder if they sold out everything in stock or it's temporarily down They've implemented the "limiting it to people with recent returns or QC issues" that was hinted at being the purpose for it in the first place. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 19:10:14 GMT -6
It seems that the stock page has no more products to show. I wonder if they sold out everything in stock or it's temporarily down someone the other day was told that they're limiting access to folks that have made returns/exchanges recently. they did the same a month or two ago, usually open it back up after a few days. |
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Post by marauder on Jan 11, 2015 19:14:58 GMT -6
Ok. I dislike the idea of selective filtering for stock page and specially, G forums.
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Post by exophobe on Jan 11, 2015 19:22:23 GMT -6
Ok. I dislike the idea of selective filtering for stock page and specially, G forums. As one who just received credit for a product that's not gonna show, I appreciate it. However I would appreciate it more if they had anything in my size other than a couple jackets and shirts. |
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Post by exophobe on Jan 11, 2015 19:23:09 GMT -6
Regarding the forums, I still think it's a bad idea, but filtering the forums is probably cheaper than resolving the continuing QC issues they seem to be running into, so maybe it's the better choice.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 19:36:57 GMT -6
Regarding the forums, I still think it's a bad idea, but filtering the forums is probably cheaper than resolving the continuing QC issues they seem to be running into, so maybe it's the better choice. If anyone decide to opened its own company down the road, this has to be the worst practice ever for an online company to address its product issues. Instead of fixing the problems, try to shut up the vocal customers by kicking them out from its own website. I buy 70% of my clothing items online and I have never experienced anything like this. It is like Amazon doesn't allow its customers to leave feedback because the customers complained about its shipping delays and wrong size products. |
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Post by marauder on Jan 11, 2015 19:39:18 GMT -6
Well, the QC issues are not going to resolve themselves. The only thing restricting access does is, that it prevents other people who haven't faced them yet, from knowing about the issues. In my opinion, unhappy people are almost always more vocal and they will find one way or another of getting their message across and it doesn't help with customer trust, honesty and openness - which is critical for any business, especially the ones that operate exclusively online.
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Post by variable on Jan 11, 2015 19:47:07 GMT -6
Well if the G forum hadn't disappeared for me, I'd have never found this place, so... I don't know, I've got nothin'. I'd never even posted there yet.
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Post by exophobe on Jan 11, 2015 19:49:46 GMT -6
If anyone decide to opened its own company down the road, this has to be the worst practice ever for an online company to address its product issues. Instead of fixing the problems, try to shut up the vocal customers by kicking them out from its own website. I buy 70% of my clothing items online and I have never experienced anything like this. It is like Amazon doesn't allow its customers to leave feedback because the customers complained about its shipping delays and wrong size products. Oh I absolutely agree, and have ridiculed myself appropriately for my poor word choice. It's been sad watching the Gustin/customer relationship develop over the last six months. It went from a very "we're in this together" tone to a "why are you guys against us" tone, but the minute the shop gets behind the construction goes to shit. I can't say if the shirts have gotten any better cause the last two I've backed I didn't receive. I could have opted to accept the Indigo Dobby, but instead went with a refund since they lopped off the selvedge. The first two oxfords I received were very good, I'm happy with all the jeans lately. My first workshirt had issues that the second one didn't exhibit, and I'm waiting on the third to show up. I don't want to be hard on them, but seeing people receiving shirts like Vincent's, and running into continuing issues makes it really hard to feel good recommending them, and oftentimes hard to continue to support them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 19:56:11 GMT -6
Well, the QC issues are not going to resolve themselves. The only thing restricting access does is, that it prevents other people who haven't faced them yet, from knowing about the issues. In my opinion, unhappy people are almost always more vocal and they will find one way or another of getting their message across and it doesn't help with customer trust, honesty and openness - which is critical for any business, especially the ones that operate exclusively online. Everything about this company is word of mouth, and what is said on forums such as Reddit, Styleforum, and Dappered. Issues with QC or delays will and have sprout up on those forums. I don't think restricting access makes a difference, or is a method Gustin is using to hide their issues as you guys are making it seem like. |
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Post by marauder on Jan 11, 2015 20:16:44 GMT -6
Well, the QC issues are not going to resolve themselves. The only thing restricting access does is, that it prevents other people who haven't faced them yet, from knowing about the issues. In my opinion, unhappy people are almost always more vocal and they will find one way or another of getting their message across and it doesn't help with customer trust, honesty and openness - which is critical for any business, especially the ones that operate exclusively online. Everything about this company is word of mouth, and what is said on forums such as Reddit, Styleforum, and Dappered. Issues with QC or delays will and have sprout up on those forums. I don't think restricting access makes a difference, or is a method Gustin is using to hide their issues as you guys are making it seem like. You have a valid point. We have no idea what their motivations are for restricting access and it doesn't make a lot of sense to do it for QC purposes. Forums are a place for open discussion and restricting access just doesn't seem right to me whatever the reason might be. I'm happy I'm here. We get to talk not only about G, but also LD, Ciano and other players  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 20:26:28 GMT -6
Everything about this company is word of mouth, and what is said on forums such as Reddit, Styleforum, and Dappered. Issues with QC or delays will and have sprout up on those forums. I don't think restricting access makes a difference, or is a method Gustin is using to hide their issues as you guys are making it seem like. You have a valid point. We have no idea what their motivations are for restricting access and it doesn't make a lot of sense to do it for QC purposes. Forums are a place for open discussion and restricting access just doesn't seem right to me whatever the reason might be. I agree about the restricting access to forums isn't, for the most part, right. But there were a number of people that would troll the forum, to the point that they would outright insult Gustin using expletives, and even advertised the LD old site sale on the community board when Cody requested us not to. It's tough to say what is right or the action that should have been taken, but G Comm is their forum, so they do have every right to do whatever they want with their own forum. |
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Post by jockohomo on Jan 11, 2015 21:35:23 GMT -6
Can't believe we are on this subject again. Seems pretty clear to me that Gustin had no choice but to exclude users of THEIR forum who were being out and out hostile to the brand. As I have seen on this forum some of the biggest offenders continue their quest to this day, and that is OK with me. As one who, on this forum, has been censured on numerous occasions, had posts deleted and was banned for 10 days for alleged infractions that were mild in comparison to what transpired on the Gustin forum, I think the Gustin gang should get a gold medal for letting the carnage take place for so long on their forum before they took action.
Imagine if you can what would have been said of Gustin if they sent out an order that was for a chino but instead arrived on the customers doorstep as a jean of the same material? Or how about if you ordered a Okayama Standard and a Japan Standard showed up? What would have been said if a pocket flap on a shirt pocket was so misaligned so as to look totally f@@@ed up? I won't even go into the sizing issues since I anticipate some doozy's will continue to surface. Well, similar situations have occurred with another denim provider and not a peep of protest occurs! Weird? I don't know what you call it, but the H-word pops into my mind.
As was the plan at the outset, this forum gives anyone who desires the stage to perform in a manner that ultimately was not permitted on the Gustin forum, what could be better? |
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Post by Old26 on Jan 11, 2015 21:42:39 GMT -6
Gustin, like us and any other forum, have the right to limit/edit/restrict anything or anyone they choose to. I for one believe that in general, most forum mod's choose to do that as a last resort. So, it will be done here - as it has been - and it will be done elsewhere.
The really cool thing is that people can choose not to be dicks and stay within the rules. You get to stay, meet nice people, and learn something.
That said fellas, since we don't know, we'll not discuss this unless Gustin gives the reason why. No speculation on something we don't know. It hurts them, and continues yet another thread of bickering.
Future talk of it will get nuked. Again, unless Gustin cares to comment on it officially.
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Post by Old26 on Jan 11, 2015 21:52:44 GMT -6
Well, the QC issues are not going to resolve themselves. The only thing restricting access does is, that it prevents other people who haven't faced them yet, from knowing about the issues. In my opinion, unhappy people are almost always more vocal and they will find one way or another of getting their message across and it doesn't help with customer trust, honesty and openness - which is critical for any business, especially the ones that operate exclusively online. Everything about this company is word of mouth, and what is said on forums such as Reddit, Styleforum, and Dappered. Issues with QC or delays will and have sprout up on those forums. I don't think restricting access makes a difference, or is a method Gustin is using to hide their issues as you guys are making it seem like. Gustin is not very forthcoming on issues. In the past, when we were all there lighting the place up and spending tons of money, they came in and answered us. I have not see anything on there in ages. And yes, while I don't post, I read it. |
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Post by jockohomo on Jan 11, 2015 21:59:02 GMT -6
I forgot to add that I received an email response from Cody at Gustin today (Sunday) at 4:51 p.m. in which he answered a few questions I posed on Friday. I could be wrong, but I think that is called customer service?
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Post by exophobe on Jan 11, 2015 22:08:14 GMT -6
Can't believe we are on this subject again. Seems pretty clear to me that Gustin had no choice but to exclude users of THEIR forum who were being out and out hostile to the brand. As I have seen on this forum some of the biggest offenders continue their quest to this day, and that is OK with me. As one who, on this forum, has been censured on numerous occasions, had posts deleted and was banned for 10 days for alleged infractions that were mild in comparison to what transpired on the Gustin forum, I think the Gustin gang should get a gold medal for letting the carnage take place for so long on their forum before they took action.
Imagine if you can what would have been said of Gustin if they sent out an order that was for a chino but instead arrived on the customers doorstep as a jean of the same material? Or how about if you ordered a Okayama Standard and a Japan Standard showed up? What would have been said if a pocket flap on a shirt pocket was so misaligned so as to look totally f@@@ed up? I won't even go into the sizing issues since I anticipate some doozy's will continue to surface. Well, similar situations have occurred with another denim provider and not a peep of protest occurs! Weird? I don't know what you call it, but the H-word pops into my mind.
As was the plan at the outset, this forum gives anyone who desires the stage to perform in a manner that ultimately was not permitted on the Gustin forum, what could be better? My complaint is with Gustin, and not a comparison to another brand. If I have the same experience with these other brands, then I will also share those. I think it's valid to express concern when 2 of 5 orders don't end up making it through, and I would be lying if I said that I felt I can recommend Gustin as a brand right now for anything other than jeans. I've been wearing my American Sixteeners every day because I'm a huge fan of them, but it also seems worth it to mention that they were part of a contest that Gustin hasn't publicly acknowledged since they announced it. I think there has been a great deal dedicated to the struggles other brands are experiencing right now. I think you'll find that many of us are as positive about the Gustin delays as we have been about the delays of other manufacturers. I'm still of the thought that Gustin had a better relationship with their customers when they were active in their own forum, and that open communication fosters good will from online customers. All of that said, when you send email with direct questions to Gustin support, they still seem to be fairly open, for which I give them credit. I'm hoping that my other two orders pending ship this week, and I hope that the newer orders I've placed deliver on time, and will say when they do. My latest arrivals, the American Sixteeners and the Wabisabi Workshirt are great, as I've said in this forum many times. |
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Post by Mattbert on Jan 11, 2015 22:18:32 GMT -6
My blood pressure went way, way down when I started thinking of Gustin as a really good jeans company that's only just begun to dabble (often clumsily) in shirts and other stuff. I've adjusted my purchasing approach with them accordingly.
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I don't know what you call it, but the H-word pops into my mind.