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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 16:26:05 GMT -6
a not-so-veiled swipe at LD perhaps? I've read a few complaints here and there pertaining to LD's turnaround time. But, I think with the recent promos LD has been running there's been an enormous surge in orders for them, which has delayed production on items. I personally don't have the expectation that LD will delivery my navy cruiser in the 8-10 week time period, so i'm not too concerned. I figured if I can wait 2 months for Gustin to deliver my trucker then what's a 2-3 month wait from Lawless? Besides, the cool thing about Lawless is being able to semi-customize your clothing, and of course, price. Don't you think that might be a problem? KS closed over the summer, and not everyone has received their KS orders, and they keep throwing out more sales upon sales. Reason why Gustin got backed up was because they weren't pushing out orders as fast as they were taking them. They said they'll be all caught up now, but LD keeps on taking more and more orders, and each order has it's own specific customization, adding more time. Gustin has a way of keeping sales down (not put out as many offerings), while trying to catch up on production. They way LD is set up, they'll keep taking sales, regardless of how production is doing. I am part of the 50% off for 5 years, but I don't foresee myself making any orders until it's less hectic, and there's a more clear time frame for me to receive my order. I don't care about price and customization if I have no idea when I will be receiving the product. Just tired of the pro-LD folk talking up so much LD in Gustin threads when there's a perfectly good LD forum for them to go to. I personally believe it is going to be a continuous challenge for MTO companies such as Gustin and Lawless to play that balancing act to make sure enough orders to keep the shop going but not too many orders to keep the wait time too long. For Lawless, I do share your concern about the sales but I did benefit with the 50% discount, so I am ok with it for now. To also be fair to LD, my partial LD order supposed to be shipped to me this week but I asked them to wait. My LD order was made more than two weeks after Gustin charged my CC on 9/12 for my Wabisabi workshirt. Based on the last communication, my G's WS is not expected to arrive until end of December or even January. It will most likely a total of 14-15 weeks wait. That wait time is pretty much inline with what DD is telling us of the wait time of the LD orders. So both companies are not doing much better than each others about the wait time for customers like us. |
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Post by stinky on Dec 18, 2014 16:34:40 GMT -6
Don't you think that might be a problem? KS closed over the summer, and not everyone has received their KS orders, and they keep throwing out more sales upon sales. Reason why Gustin got backed up was because they weren't pushing out orders as fast as they were taking them. They said they'll be all caught up now, but LD keeps on taking more and more orders, and each order has it's own specific customization, adding more time. Gustin has a way of keeping sales down (not put out as many offerings), while trying to catch up on production. They way LD is set up, they'll keep taking sales, regardless of how production is doing. I am part of the 50% off for 5 years, but I don't foresee myself making any orders until it's less hectic, and there's a more clear time frame for me to receive my order. I don't care about price and customization if I have no idea when I will be receiving the product. Just tired of the pro-LD folk talking up so much LD in Gustin threads when there's a perfectly good LD forum for them to go to. I personally believe it is going to be a continuous challenge for MTO companies such as Gustin and Lawless to play that balancing act to make sure enough orders to keep the shop going but not too many orders to keep the wait time too long. For Lawless, I do share your concern about the sales but I did benefit with the 50% discount, so I am ok with it for now. To also be fair to LD, my partial LD order supposed to be shipped to me this week but I asked them to wait. My LD order was made more than two weeks after Gustin charged my CC on 9/12 for my Wabisabi workshirt. Based on the last communication, my G's WS is not expected to arrive until end of December or even January. It will most likely a total of 14-15 weeks wait. It is pretty much inline with what DD is telling us the wait time of the LD orders, so the waiting times for both companies are longer than I prefer. Tomorrow is exactly 3 months since the Loomstate campaign funded, and IIRC, there have been more than one erroneous messages regarding ship date (tomorrow is supposedly the new ship date). Zimbs (oh, how i love you Zimbabwe jeans) took over 3 months and they were "priority." I don't think that either company is under promising and over delivering at this point, however, it is worth pointing out that DD is accessible and honest about timing. Seriously, I love the Zimbs and want to figure out how i can keep them looking exactly like they look out of the bag . . . love the color and texture. |
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Post by ickes on Dec 18, 2014 16:52:34 GMT -6
devastitis, I understand what you are saying that it could potentially snowball into a big problem causing eccessive delays, but I will say that in my case the reason I haven't received my LD KS order yet is because I took so long to complete the confirmation form for my order. Also, the pair that's en route to me now I made a change on at the last minute, otherwise I'd have had them weeks ago. As others have stated, look at the recent delays in Gs production as well. The Loomstates as mentioned, The WabiSabi was supposed to have been delivered in November and still nothing, and there was a big delay on my Rustic Blue Twill as well. And as for the comment about us at least knowing we will get a product from G, well correct me if I'm wrong guys but wasn't there a whole campaign that was 100% funded then mysteriously disappeared? I believe it was the Cerrulean Broken Twill?? I don't believe there was an explanation either and I'm not sure how G handled the fact that people already paid for something that would never be made. I'm not trying to bash G or take sides here but both companies can be guilty of untimely deliveries for whatever reason.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 20:04:29 GMT -6
devastitis, I understand what you are saying that it could potentially snowball into a big problem causing eccessive delays, but I will say that in my case the reason I haven't received my LD KS order yet is because I took so long to complete the confirmation form for my order. Also, the pair that's en route to me now I made a change on at the last minute, otherwise I'd have had them weeks ago. As others have stated, look at the recent delays in Gs production as well. The Loomstates as mentioned, The WabiSabi was supposed to have been delivered in November and still nothing, and there was a big delay on my Rustic Blue Twill as well. And as for the comment about us at least knowing we will get a product from G, well correct me if I'm wrong guys but wasn't there a whole campaign that was 100% funded then mysteriously disappeared? I believe it was the Cerrulean Broken Twill?? I don't believe there was an explanation either and I'm not sure how G handled the fact that people already paid for something that would never be made. I'm not trying to bash G or take sides here but both companies can be guilty of untimely deliveries for whatever reason. But that's exactly it, MattIckes. We don't know if it could potentially snowball, but people are coming into the Gustin forum to advertise for LD, like they are the 'no-brainer' better alternative to Gustin. They aren't. They may be cheaper with the sale, they may be better if customization is your thing, but they aren't better. I'm not saying Gustin is better, but it's ridiculous for people to be advertising LD in Gustin forums before LD has all their shit together. Gustin isn't without its fair share of production issues, because they've suffered in that facet during November and December, but I really feel like they will be back to producing products in a timely manner in no time. With LD, they are just starting, and we don't know how bad the growing pains will be, and if they have the right logistics in place to get better soon. We'll see of course, and if they do grow to be better than Gustin, more power to them. But, this is a Gustin forum. There's an LD forum a couple clicks away. Please keep the LD advertisement and bad mouthing of Gustin to a minimum. Bad experiences are one thing, but constant harping on that experience and telling others to buy LD is another. |
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Post by jockohomo on Dec 18, 2014 20:42:58 GMT -6
devastitis, I understand what you are saying that it could potentially snowball into a big problem causing eccessive delays, but I will say that in my case the reason I haven't received my LD KS order yet is because I took so long to complete the confirmation form for my order. Also, the pair that's en route to me now I made a change on at the last minute, otherwise I'd have had them weeks ago. As others have stated, look at the recent delays in Gs production as well. The Loomstates as mentioned, The WabiSabi was supposed to have been delivered in November and still nothing, and there was a big delay on my Rustic Blue Twill as well. And as for the comment about us at least knowing we will get a product from G, well correct me if I'm wrong guys but wasn't there a whole campaign that was 100% funded then mysteriously disappeared? I believe it was the Cerrulean Broken Twill?? I don't believe there was an explanation either and I'm not sure how G handled the fact that people already paid for something that would never be made. I'm not trying to bash G or take sides here but both companies can be guilty of untimely deliveries for whatever reason. But that's exactly it, MattIckes. We don't know if it could potentially snowball, but people are coming into the Gustin forum to advertise for LD, like they are the 'no-brainer' better alternative to Gustin. They aren't. They may be cheaper with the sale, they may be better if customization is your thing, but they aren't better. I'm not saying Gustin is better, but it's ridiculous for people to be advertising LD in Gustin forums before LD has all their shit together. Gustin isn't without its fair share of production issues, because they've suffered in that facet during November and December, but I really feel like they will be back to producing products in a timely manner in no time. With LD, they are just starting, and we don't know how bad the growing pains will be, and if they have the right logistics in place to get better soon. We'll see of course, and if they do grow to be better than Gustin, more power to them. But, this is a Gustin forum. There's an LD forum a couple clicks away. Please keep the LD advertisement and bad mouthing of Gustin to a minimum. Bad experiences are one thing, but constant harping on that experience and telling others to buy LD is another. You would think that what you pointed out in your last paragraph would be obvious to a Moderator?
I will say, with the exception of one character, at least most Lawless Lovers will give Gustin credit when they are completely overwhelmed by the phenomenal fabric Gustin brings to us.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 20:51:10 GMT -6
devastitis, I understand what you are saying that it could potentially snowball into a big problem causing eccessive delays, but I will say that in my case the reason I haven't received my LD KS order yet is because I took so long to complete the confirmation form for my order. Also, the pair that's en route to me now I made a change on at the last minute, otherwise I'd have had them weeks ago. As others have stated, look at the recent delays in Gs production as well. The Loomstates as mentioned, The WabiSabi was supposed to have been delivered in November and still nothing, and there was a big delay on my Rustic Blue Twill as well. And as for the comment about us at least knowing we will get a product from G, well correct me if I'm wrong guys but wasn't there a whole campaign that was 100% funded then mysteriously disappeared? I believe it was the Cerrulean Broken Twill?? I don't believe there was an explanation either and I'm not sure how G handled the fact that people already paid for something that would never be made. I'm not trying to bash G or take sides here but both companies can be guilty of untimely deliveries for whatever reason. But that's exactly it, MattIckes. We don't know if it could potentially snowball, but people are coming into the Gustin forum to advertise for LD, like they are the 'no-brainer' better alternative to Gustin. They aren't. They may be cheaper with the sale, they may be better if customization is your thing, but they aren't better. I'm not saying Gustin is better, but it's ridiculous for people to be advertising LD in Gustin forums before LD has all their shit together. Gustin isn't without its fair share of production issues, because they've suffered in that facet during November and December, but I really feel like they will be back to producing products in a timely manner in no time. With LD, they are just starting, and we don't know how bad the growing pains will be, and if they have the right logistics in place to get better soon. We'll see of course, and if they do grow to be better than Gustin, more power to them. But, this is a Gustin forum. There's an LD forum a couple clicks away. Please keep the LD advertisement and bad mouthing of Gustin to a minimum. Bad experiences are one thing, but constant harping on that experience and telling others to buy LD is another. Not going down to the rabbit hole with you again on this topic but this is a thread to discuss all things related to Gustin. We are "Selvedge and Style forum" and not the Gustin forum on weargustin.com. There are the official Gustin Coummunity and the affiliated Gustin thread in Styleforum. Gustin paid good money for both of them and I am fine on them to control people conversations over there. Here, we have the freedom to express our opinions. |
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Post by Mattbert on Dec 18, 2014 21:44:03 GMT -6
Well, speaking for myself here, I bought into the hype of the Silks after I received the Silks, wore them extensively, and decided that as far as I'm concerned they are one friggin' sweet pair of pants. I've also decided that, as much as some of Gustin's marketing buzzspeak can annoy me from time to time, they are typically very faithful in their descriptions of the appearance and feel of the fabrics they offer. There are plenty of areas where one might quibble with Gustin--price, construction, QA/QC, communication, etc.--and the regulars here will know I've had my share of quibbles with G. However, on no occasion have I been disappointed with one of their fabrics itself. Never. Not once. Gustin has built up a large reservoir of trust with me on that score, over the course of more than a dozen products I've purchased from them. Whether I've paid eighty dollars for something or a hundred and eighty, if they described the material in a way that made me think I'd really like it...lo and behold, when I got that item in my hands I really liked it. Every time. So I feel confident that I'm going to like the Cashmere. Probably a whole lot. And not just because some flowery product copy told me to. I think maybe my age or expectation and my experience on the Gustin's fabric is quite an opposite. I bought the Grey Silk and the True Blue Silk at their very first campaigns at the peak of the hype and they are both horrible in my eyes. Back in the 80's, there were a huge movement of the polyester blend garment. When the first time I saw the Grey Silk, it immediately recall my memory on those. My wife is also in that era and was teasing me every time about the sheen and how cheap do they look. I also question the integrity of the fabric itself because no matter how I washed them in the washer (inside out with a garment bag), there will be additional wash cease everytime. I have never seen one denim or pant that have problem similar to that. I am questioning about the dying process of that blend of fabric. The rest of my Gustin fabric are not much better. Natural Indigo, Rainbow Neps (sold), BlackxBlack and True Blue Silk (sold) are ok but are definitely not matching those "marketing descriptions" on the Gustin site. I DON'T even want to bring up my feeling of the fabric on my Hickory Stripe Workshirt. Anyway, I did have an opportunity to see and touch the cashmere N&F jeans couple years back and it wasn't bad but I didn't find that very special. 7forAllMenKind also has one today and also Jcrew. Yes, I get the feeling expectations have an awful lot to do with it. With the Grey Silks, I was expecting a fancy pair of pants that flirted with the line between 'fun' and 'cheeseball' and would be worn only occasionally. That's what I got, so I'm happy. If someone backed them expecting a pair of grey jeans, then there's potential for disappointment. IMO, it's a mistake to think of the Grey Silks as jeans. They're not. They're dressy five-pocket pants. Same thing goes for many of Gustin's other non-standard denims. If you cram silk into a bag and throw it in a washing machine, yeah, it's going to get creases. That's not the fabric's fault. Hand wash next time, and you'll probably get better results. I don't know what you mean by "questioning the dying process of that blend". Can you elaborate a bit on that? Can you also elaborate on specifically what about the other Gustin fabrics you mentioned did not match up with the marketing descriptions? I don't own and have not handled any of those four. N&F strictly uses only Japanese fabrics, as far as I'm aware. Gustin's cashmere blend denim is Italian. I'm struggling to see the relevance of the N&F here. Is this the 7 For All Mankind one you were thinking of? Those are (1) gray whereas the G's are indigo, (2) stretch (2% spandex) whereas the G's don't say but I guess they *could* be, (3) zipper fly instead of button fly, (4) not selvedge from the looks of it, and (5) fifty dollars MORE expensive than the G's. The only cashmere blend denim I found on J Crew's website was in the women's section. |
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Post by brentkuz on Dec 19, 2014 6:29:15 GMT -6
devastitis Please keep Gustin bad mouthing to a minimum? Sounds like guys here are starting to have issues like I was having. Long delays, no answers why things were delayed. After reading some of these guys issues I'm happy id haven't bought anything recently. If people have legit issues or praise they should post them. Good or bad. I haven't received anything from Lawless but I am 1 month 1 week into the order. If lawless doesn't deliver for months I will also stAy away from them and stick with Taylor stitch.
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Post by gaseousclay on Dec 19, 2014 7:21:42 GMT -6
devastitis Please keep Gustin bad mouthing to a minimum? Sounds like guys here are starting to have issues like I was having. Long delays, no answers why things were delayed. After reading some of these guys issues I'm happy id haven't bought anything recently. If people have legit issues or praise they should post them. Good or bad. I haven't received anything from Lawless but I am 1 month 1 week into the order. If lawless doesn't deliver for months I will also stAy away from them and stick with Taylor stitch. I didn't really have issues with my Gustin trucker. I mean, the issues I thought were issues weren't really issues at all (ie.cuff opening being tight). I'm in the same boat though. I placed my LD order on Nov.29th and the wait time is supposed to be 8-10 weeks. I can live with that and i'm going to wait until my goods are delivered before I form any judgements. I've read many complaints about Gustin but it didn't stop me from ordering my trucker. Likewise, people seem to be bad mouthing LD but i'm not going to let that dissuade me from a purchase. It's a numbers game imo. sure, LD is probably compounding the turnaround problem by adding all of these promos, but it also makes good business sense when you're talking about competing with the likes of Gustin and Taylor Stitch. And let's be honest, we're all attracted to LD's offerings but mostly to the price. If LD didn't have the promos they put out it's unlikely I would've spent $189 for the navy oiled cruiser. At $106.50 it was just too good of a deal to pass up. |
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Post by bugula on Dec 19, 2014 8:25:43 GMT -6
i've found for me that it's better to just pay for an in stock item and work through the fit issues in realtime vs. having multiple week turnarounds between. obviously if it's something unique that i can only find at one location and i'm aware of a significant wait, then i'll weigh the purchase vs. convenience especially if i already know my fit for the brand.
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Post by exophobe on Dec 19, 2014 9:42:13 GMT -6
devastitis Please keep Gustin bad mouthing to a minimum? Sounds like guys here are starting to have issues like I was having. Long delays, no answers why things were delayed. After reading some of these guys issues I'm happy id haven't bought anything recently. If people have legit issues or praise they should post them. Good or bad. I haven't received anything from Lawless but I am 1 month 1 week into the order. If lawless doesn't deliver for months I will also stAy away from them and stick with Taylor stitch. Gustin had stated on the community forum that they hadn't properly anticipated the effect the holidays would have on their production. Given the model, anything they don't anticipate has a direct impact to the customer. However, when you can still edit the size on something due in December one week into December, it's hard to be shocked when they don't meet the delivery date. There are a couple ways to deal with this, they chose to strike them from the order status page. Again, I'd like a little more tact from them in how they handle things like this, but I'm not going to feign offense at such an affront, because it doesn't bother me as much as it maybe should. In any case, patience goes a long way, and if that's not working for you, send them an email. This isn't a war, it's men's fashion. Chances are we'll all get out of this production delay alive. |
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Post by usctroll on Dec 19, 2014 9:51:10 GMT -6
Did we get an answer on whether or not the Tees will be available for purchase? I'll buy them outright but no chance on backing them.
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Post by brentkuz on Dec 19, 2014 10:16:37 GMT -6
exophobe I did see that and I posted that in a cross thread here. It's it's not life or death but we can choose where to spend our money or not. Tact and dealing with problems head on really means a lot to me. Having answers to questions means a lot.
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Post by exophobe on Dec 19, 2014 11:12:17 GMT -6
Did we get an answer on whether or not the Tees will be available for purchase? I'll buy them outright but no chance on backing them. Per Gustin, made to order, drop Saturday. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 11:15:19 GMT -6
Did we get an answer on whether or not the Tees will be available for purchase? I'll buy them outright but no chance on backing them. not that i've seen, but then again i'm not sure if anyone has asked anywhere other than here or on the G community board which doesn't always garner a lot of direct response.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 11:16:54 GMT -6
Did we get an answer on whether or not the Tees will be available for purchase? I'll buy them outright but no chance on backing them. Per Gustin, made to order, drop Saturday. If the price is right, I would definitely look into it. For T-shirt, the fit means everything and the good fabric is just the cherry on the top. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 11:33:00 GMT -6
devastitis Please keep Gustin bad mouthing to a minimum? Sounds like guys here are starting to have issues like I was having. Long delays, no answers why things were delayed. After reading some of these guys issues I'm happy id haven't bought anything recently. If people have legit issues or praise they should post them. Good or bad. I haven't received anything from Lawless but I am 1 month 1 week into the order. If lawless doesn't deliver for months I will also stAy away from them and stick with Taylor stitch. Bad experiences and bad mouthing are two separate things. Bad mouthing is constantly harping on bad experiences and trying to get others to not buy the product, saying x company or y company is such a better product and value. That goes on a lot here. Even with you, Brent, it doesn't stop with just here. Those of the Gustin Community have caught on and have become exasperated by your constant "This is too expensive. I don't see myself buying Gustin products ever again" posts every week or two. Either buy Gustin products, or stay away. No one really needs to hear, nor care what you choose to do. I'm not saying everyone must love Gustin and praise Gustin. Just enough with the bad mouthing. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Make a decision and move on. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 11:57:00 GMT -6
devastitis Please keep Gustin bad mouthing to a minimum? Sounds like guys here are starting to have issues like I was having. Long delays, no answers why things were delayed. After reading some of these guys issues I'm happy id haven't bought anything recently. If people have legit issues or praise they should post them. Good or bad. I haven't received anything from Lawless but I am 1 month 1 week into the order. If lawless doesn't deliver for months I will also stAy away from them and stick with Taylor stitch. I didn't really have issues with my Gustin trucker. I mean, the issues I thought were issues weren't really issues at all (ie.cuff opening being tight). I'm in the same boat though. I placed my LD order on Nov.29th and the wait time is supposed to be 8-10 weeks. I can live with that and i'm going to wait until my goods are delivered before I form any judgements. I've read many complaints about Gustin but it didn't stop me from ordering my trucker. Likewise, people seem to be bad mouthing LD but i'm not going to let that dissuade me from a purchase. It's a numbers game imo. sure, LD is probably compounding the turnaround problem by adding all of these promos, but it also makes good business sense when you're talking about competing with the likes of Gustin and Taylor Stitch. And let's be honest, we're all attracted to LD's offerings but mostly to the price. If LD didn't have the promos they put out it's unlikely I would've spent $189 for the navy oiled cruiser. At $106.50 it was just too good of a deal to pass up. I have no problem with you choosing to go with LD. Financially, it makes sense. That deal is hard to pass up, and the customization for some is hard to pass up. But it's a different fabric from what Gustin was offering. If you're going to compare two different products, how can you come up with the conclusion that LD is a no brainer? You haven't received any products from LD, and LD products are trickling in compared to how many orders they are taking, how can you come up with the conclusion that LD is a no brainer? If you make that observation in an LD forum, fine, but why, if not to detract from Gustin, come into a Gustin forum to say that? That's all I'm wondering about. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 12:22:21 GMT -6
devastitis Please keep Gustin bad mouthing to a minimum? Sounds like guys here are starting to have issues like I was having. Long delays, no answers why things were delayed. After reading some of these guys issues I'm happy id haven't bought anything recently. If people have legit issues or praise they should post them. Good or bad. I haven't received anything from Lawless but I am 1 month 1 week into the order. If lawless doesn't deliver for months I will also stAy away from them and stick with Taylor stitch. Bad experiences and bad mouthing are two separate things. Bad mouthing is constantly harping on bad experiences and trying to get others to not buy the product, saying x company or y company is such a better product and value. That goes on a lot here. Even with you, Brent, it doesn't stop with just here. Those of the Gustin Community have caught on and have become exasperated by your constant "This is too expensive. I don't see myself buying Gustin products ever again" posts every week or two. Either buy Gustin products, or stay away. No one really needs to hear, nor care what you choose to do. I'm not saying everyone must love Gustin and praise Gustin. Just enough with the bad mouthing. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Make a decision and move on. Bad mouthing is from troll who has no actual experience/no poor experience with a vendor and he/she makes accusation of things based on pure speculation with hidden motive. When people actually had bad experiences with a vendor and able to the state the factual details, they are not bad mouthing a company. They are expressing their un-satisfactions and want to share information to help others to make informed decisions. For members who are willing to register to this site and/or read the posts, they are all passionate, intelligent and knowledgeable about what they are going to read about here. I don't believe anyone here will think like a 10 years old who will do/follow exactly what others say...especially from strangers on talking high and low about companies/products on the internet. |
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Post by stinky on Dec 19, 2014 12:24:32 GMT -6
For those with loomies in the queue . . . Is it just me or did the production status change slightly? I could have sworn it said something like, "Production status: 12/17: Production complete. Orders will ship out on Friday."
It currently says: "Production status: 12/17: Orders will begin shipping out on Friday." [emphasis added]
Not trying to start conspiracy BS or anything, just wondering if my memory is that bad.
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Post by Old26 on Dec 19, 2014 12:35:25 GMT -6
OK kids, there have been warnings on this before. Next step will be "timeouts" for the kids that can't play in the sandbox together.
There are a few folks that insist on keeping this fire burning, and it's going to end. So either do it yourselves, or it shall be done for you. Up to you.
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Post by gaseousclay on Dec 19, 2014 13:00:53 GMT -6
I didn't really have issues with my Gustin trucker. I mean, the issues I thought were issues weren't really issues at all (ie.cuff opening being tight). I'm in the same boat though. I placed my LD order on Nov.29th and the wait time is supposed to be 8-10 weeks. I can live with that and i'm going to wait until my goods are delivered before I form any judgements. I've read many complaints about Gustin but it didn't stop me from ordering my trucker. Likewise, people seem to be bad mouthing LD but i'm not going to let that dissuade me from a purchase. It's a numbers game imo. sure, LD is probably compounding the turnaround problem by adding all of these promos, but it also makes good business sense when you're talking about competing with the likes of Gustin and Taylor Stitch. And let's be honest, we're all attracted to LD's offerings but mostly to the price. If LD didn't have the promos they put out it's unlikely I would've spent $189 for the navy oiled cruiser. At $106.50 it was just too good of a deal to pass up. I have no problem with you choosing to go with LD. Financially, it makes sense. That deal is hard to pass up, and the customization for some is hard to pass up. But it's a different fabric from what Gustin was offering. If you're going to compare two different products, how can you come up with the conclusion that LD is a no brainer? You haven't received any products from LD, and LD products are trickling in compared to how many orders they are taking, how can you come up with the conclusion that LD is a no brainer? If you make that observation in an LD forum, fine, but why, if not to detract from Gustin, come into a Gustin forum to say that? That's all I'm wondering about. It sounds like you're cherrypicking what i've said. When I said choosing the LD cruiser was a no-brainer I prefaced it by saying the price is what makes it an easy choice, especially for someone with financial concerns. Gustin trucker = $139+$15 shipping. LD 50% off promo for Navy British millerain oiled cruiser = $94.50+$12 shipping. This is also a public forum that isn't run by the guys at Gustin as far as I know, so simply saying the LD cruiser is a good choice price-wise over the Gustin is my personal opinion and is in no way a jab at Gustin. As far as the fabric comparison, I haven't made any official comparisons other than the weight and type of fabric, in LD's case a 9oz British millerain oiled canvas, which to my understanding is what Barbour uses on their waxed jackets (but I could be mistaken). To be clear, I own the Gustin trucker and love it. I also own the Filson short cruiser which is another quality jacket. I have the navy millerain cruiser on order from LD and was planning on a detailed review of these three brands once i've gotten my LD order. You make it sound like I personally trashed Gustin's products while elevating LD's product which I haven't even received. My point was that i've heard bad things about both Gustin and LD but you've chosen to take sides on the issue and criticize anyone who has a negative opinion of Gustin, regardless of how small the complaint. |
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Post by bugula on Dec 19, 2014 18:11:22 GMT -6
did that navy trucker back?
it's not available any longer and it's not in the backed section.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 18:26:05 GMT -6
did that navy trucker back? it's not available any longer and it's not in the backed section. Strange. Guessing it went the way of those colored denims that were taken down after a slow day or two of no backers. The last time I had looked at the navy trucker it was at 0%...which was a shame, I liked the look of it. Maybe the fabric will return in a chore coat. |
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Post by exophobe on Dec 19, 2014 19:33:42 GMT -6
For those with loomies in the queue . . . Is it just me or did the production status change slightly? I could have sworn it said something like, "Production status: 12/17: Production complete. Orders will ship out on Friday." It currently says: "Production status: 12/17: Orders will begin shipping out on Friday." [emphasis added] Not trying to start conspiracy BS or anything, just wondering if my memory is that bad. I think the last update on the wabisabi was something similar, went from "shipping end of next week" to "queued for shipping" on Thursday, given Friday is just about over (though I have gotten the ship notices as late as 7 or 8 PST), it'll need to ship Monday to make Christmas, but I wasn't planning on wrapping it up anyway, so I'm not that upset. I'm guessing the loomies said something like an "end of next week", I think someone got in trouble for putting dates on the updates, so you might not be crazy, I think there were dates on some of them early last week. |
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