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Post by Griffin on Oct 5, 2014 2:38:54 GMT -6
I also wonder if it will be possible to register on the webpage next week.
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Post by roman on Oct 5, 2014 8:47:34 GMT -6
Ickes your shirt is still pending.
As for the chain stitch run off I must say I'm not a fan.
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Post by roman on Oct 5, 2014 8:50:45 GMT -6
Griffin I'm getting the registration fixed next week. I think a no pocket work shirt is do able.
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 5, 2014 9:50:39 GMT -6
Ok I for one would like some sort of scoop but not Gustin scoops but something like this which is subtle with or without the gusset. I also think since the work shirt is quite popular Lawless should have something that sets them apart so that a customer who owns work shirts from other brands could say "thats different enough for me to buy it" as well as it being at a great price. Pocket detailing & shape are what usually does it *Photo's are for scoop looks only   |
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Post by Griffin on Oct 5, 2014 10:14:57 GMT -6
Griffin I'm getting the registration fixed next week. I think a no pocket work shirt is do able. Great. What I was thinking about the pockets was to have a similar option to the pants (on the pants we can choose the stitch-style.) But for the shirt there would be: x Clean (wich is like they are on the lawlesspage right now) x Workpockets (or some other name, wich is what you guys have come up with, with the pen and such. x Flaps (maybe) The standard one could be any one you feel is your cup of tea the most, and then we can use the options if we want. |
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Post by Griffin on Oct 5, 2014 10:17:50 GMT -6
About the scoops. What was most apealing to me about the shirt on the site was that the shirt was straight with only minimal side "scoops". I feel that the way it looks now sets it apart sinc everyone else is doing the nightshirt-type.
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Post by roman on Oct 5, 2014 10:34:39 GMT -6
Do you guys like the triple stitch on the shirt dirtyDenim is sharing?
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Post by roman on Oct 5, 2014 10:35:34 GMT -6
I'm going to make this so you can customize shirt pockets and details. I like the scoop but what if I offered you the choice?
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Post by bugula on Oct 5, 2014 10:40:07 GMT -6
Choices are the best way to go.  It'd also tip my hand to order many shirts because I could customize them differently. I like the triple stitch a lot actually - it's not something everyone has. |
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Post by ickes on Oct 5, 2014 10:51:18 GMT -6
If a side scoop is a choice I would like the scoop to be kept very minimal as Dirty Denim said. I actually think I prefer the straight bottom over the side scoops....like whats in your original design. That is what separates it from all the other WS out there IMO. It was very refreshing to me when I first saw the WS on Kickstarter and saw no chain stitch run-off and no side scoops.
But either way, if you have the capability to give us choices on all this then that would be best.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 10:53:55 GMT -6
- Side scoop: I prefer a scooped/tailed shirt bottom. Gussets are a nice to have feature. Selvedge edged gussets are even better. I'm never drawn to the types of shirts that are straight across the bottom (bowling shirts, dickie's shirts, hawaiian shirts)
- Pockets: so many options here, but i think if one or both pockets are flapless then a pen/pencil slot is vital.
- Triple stitching: I prefer triple stitching, as well as bartacks on common stress points.
- Chainstitch run-off: not something that can just be added, rather has to come from that seam being chainstitched. I'm not sure whether or not Roman is chainstiching or not, as there aren't currently many details regarding construction on the page. I know some people don't like the look or even the idea of the run-off, but it does signify that a chainstitch seam is present...which is important detail to a lot of people.
- Details: Once everything is dialed in with the design of the shirts and the site, I'd strongly recommend adding construction details to the product page. Workwear/workshirts are a popular item right now...and having a semi-customized Made in the US alternative at this price point will draw a lot of sales while they are still popular. But...there is a wider audience of people who view these pieces as timeless staples and will seek them out long after any passing trend. That market is very interested in the details. Some want details that make the garment durable, some want details that make the garment authentic. Either way, not listing those details, or trying to please only those who want the workshirt aesthetic right now is (imo) losing out on a broader and more long term customer base.
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Post by davelewis on Oct 5, 2014 11:07:54 GMT -6
I'm OK with the triple stitching. I don't care for pronounced scoops, but prefer a small scoop to make shirt drape better. I don't feel it necessary to have chain stich run-off, but some people have to have it. Options are nice, as more choices are always good.
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Post by Griffin on Oct 5, 2014 11:08:39 GMT -6
Yes to options, aslong as the current exact design is also choosable! You got something great there!
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Post by roman on Oct 5, 2014 11:08:57 GMT -6
I have just been given access to one of the older collections in america of vintage clothing. I'm hoping to find some inspiration in the collection.
I'll post some pics once I go visit.
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Post by matt on Oct 5, 2014 11:12:20 GMT -6
Yes, all these details are perfect. Beautiful and functional. These are exactly the details the WS needed IMO. It would be great to see the gussets in selvedge and to do a chain stitch run-off(chain stitch run-off is somewhat irrelevant, but it looks really cool). I have to disagree with the chain stitch run-off. Roman, please keep the design changes to exactly what they are in this picture, they are perfect and you do not need to add a chain stitch run-off IMO. I think it actually separates your design from other brands that use the chain stitch run-off, makes the Lawless WS different. Chain stitch run-offs are pointless IMO. +1 on Ickes' points. I like the ability to have these features as options. Truthfully, I like the classic look of the work shirt as it exists on the website and a WS featuring the ideas we've all discussed here. Yes, I can logically justify my decision to buy two. |
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Post by davelewis on Oct 5, 2014 11:15:06 GMT -6
That is an example of want I would like the new shirt to look like. There are few subtle changes that I have listed. If it's ok with everyone I will implement this for all pending orders. If you do not want the these changes please email me and let me know. Roman@lawlessdenim.com Roman, I am totally down with the new changes in the work shirt. Love the triple stitching and pocket details. |
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Post by roman on Oct 5, 2014 11:22:58 GMT -6
David all of our shirts are chain stitched. We make our clothing using traditional methods. It takes longer but the end result is a well made garment. We are not a group of speed sewers. Each garment is perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 11:26:30 GMT -6
David all of our shirts are chain stitched. We make our clothing using traditional methods. It takes longer but the end result is a well made garment. We are not a group of speed sewers. Each garment is perfect. please note that i wasn't indicating that you weren't using traditional methods or were cutting any corners...just that i'd make sure to call those details out in your product descriptions as your site evolves. those details are something to be proud of and make note of. |
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 5, 2014 11:31:28 GMT -6
I have to disagree with the chain stitch run-off. Roman, please keep the design changes to exactly what they are in this picture, they are perfect and you do not need to add a chain stitch run-off IMO. I think it actually separates your design from other brands that use the chain stitch run-off, makes the Lawless WS different. Chain stitch run-offs are pointless IMO. +1 on Ickes' points. I like the ability to have these features as options. Truthfully, I like the classic look of the work shirt as it exists on the website and a WS featuring the ideas we've all discussed here. Yes, I can logically justify my decision to buy two. Of course we can justify because we have already fell for Lawless and like it but Roman has to think outside of us & think for the people that do not think Lawless is a brand they like. There are a ton of people out there that are fans of other brands exclusively...They are who need to be wow'd. If Roman is giving us the opportunity to affect his brand the way he has, we have to think logically & without bias for him |
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Post by jamesr on Oct 5, 2014 16:38:34 GMT -6
I think the WS is looking really good. To throw in 2 cents:
I agree with David. Scoops with a gusset. The depth of the scoops is a bit of a balancing act. In my opinion, Gustin takes it too far (on their regular shirts at least) but straight bottom is not something I personally like.
Chainstitch runoff... I kind of like it. The thing for me is if its there and you like it - great. If it's there and you hate it - cut it off. Seems a better decision to have it there in order to appeal to a wider crowd. Like DirtyDenim said, Roman needs to appeal to as wide a crowd as possible.
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Post by roman on Oct 5, 2014 17:12:38 GMT -6
All great information. Thank you all. David I was just taking the opportunity to share with you all our sewing technic and commitment to superior quality. I did think our sit shares those details. I will need to make the updates this evening.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 20:50:10 GMT -6
Guys, just put my Gustin JPN HICKORY STRIPE WORKSHIRT in size medium in regular fit on BST. Let me know if you are interested. I like what Roman is offering and don't need the Gustin one anymore.
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 5, 2014 21:01:12 GMT -6
I just did my usual Lawless.com browsing & noticed the shirt now has a Mens classic shirt & a Heritage shirt option. I tried to get in to build a shirt but the classic wont allow it as it has no denim options & the Heritage which is a blank pic is likely not uploaded yet?
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Post by samesame on Oct 5, 2014 21:05:58 GMT -6
i think that could be an idea for next fabric choice addition for shirts ie some twills with some patterns like hickory stripe, wabash etc
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 5, 2014 21:29:29 GMT -6
i think that could be an idea for next fabric choice addition for shirts ie some twills with some patterns like hickory stripe, wabash etc I believe wabash is in the works & maybe already in house? |
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