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Post by exophobe on Oct 2, 2015 11:01:41 GMT -6
Why is everyone selling their Lawless Super Heavies? I see 2 pairs for sale here and saw that Ickes just sold his. Do I dare pick a pair up from someone? I sold KS pair of 18.5 LD jeans when new. They were good jeans, I just can't wear something made by jackasses. It bugs me. I understand others who don't have this issue and it's totally understandable. I just have that idiosyncrasy and have no problem understanding why others may not care. You mean sold by jackasses, not made by.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 11:14:40 GMT -6
I sold KS pair of 18.5 LD jeans when new. They were good jeans, I just can't wear something made by jackasses. It bugs me. I understand others who don't have this issue and it's totally understandable. I just have that idiosyncrasy and have no problem understanding why others may not care. You mean sold by jackasses, not made by. Indeed, that is a valid distinction. The workforce was top notch. I'll amend my statement to "I don't like wearing clothes produced by company owned by a person who ripped off both its loyal and talented workforce and its customers".
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Post by oatwilly on Oct 2, 2015 14:01:30 GMT -6
You mean sold by jackasses, not made by. Indeed, that is a valid distinction. The workforce was top notch. I'll amend my statement to "I don't like wearing clothes produced by company owned by a person who ripped off both its loyal and talented workforce and its customers". If it makes you feel better, their logo on the patch vanishes after one wash
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Post by beeranddenim on Oct 5, 2015 13:21:26 GMT -6
Yesterday I wore the one pair of jeans I eventually received. Not even sure they were made with all my selections after such a long time but when they arrived the 35x33 was spot on. They really do fit great!
That's the shame in all this.
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Post by Winterland on Oct 6, 2015 15:30:35 GMT -6
Here are some pictures of my Lawless Montana Indigo/Indigo shirt with some wear on it. It is showing some nice wearing/fading of the dark indigo into a lighter blue. I have been wearing it about every other day for over 2 months. No washes 1 initial soak. I know some of you aren't into keeping and wearing your lawless items etc but I like my shirts and I'm going to wear them. The workers put some great work in to them so why not. Anyways my indigo indigo western shirt I ordered with white thread and I knew that was a bold move and now the white has started to bother me. Too much contrast. I love the shirt otherwise, great fabric and it fits me perfect. With a little thinking I was able to change the color of the thread. It came out better than I could ever have wanted it now looks like it was sewed up with copper thread. Here is a picture with it partially done. Feel free to guess how I did it.
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Post by wdw on Oct 6, 2015 15:36:15 GMT -6
Feel free to guess how I did it. Tea?
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Post by matt on Oct 6, 2015 15:42:02 GMT -6
A yellow sharpie? lol
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Post by whiskeyriver on Oct 6, 2015 15:42:33 GMT -6
Tobacco spit?
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Post by Winterland on Oct 6, 2015 15:50:51 GMT -6
Winner. It is not yellow but actually a copper color and it is a fine point. I tried a few different colors on the inside thread. It took me about an hour. It was actually very therapeutic as it kept looking better as I went along. I am still amazed how good it looks. You could never tell unless you used a magnifying glass. There was no bleed onto the indigo fabric. I now know my shirts thread very intimately. .
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Post by matt on Oct 6, 2015 15:52:59 GMT -6
Winner. It is not yellow but actually a copper color and it is a fine point. I tried a few different colors on the inside thread. It took me about an hour. It was actually very therapeutic as it kept looking better as I went along. I am still amazed how good it looks. You could never tell unless you used a magnifying glass. There was no bleed onto the indigo fabric.
Wow! And I was kidding too. You could even incorporate an orange or brown sharpie to give it more of that "copper" thread look too. Over the yellow no less. You can evolve the shirt and eventually go with dark blue or black and end up with tonal.
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Post by Winterland on Oct 6, 2015 16:12:27 GMT -6
Winner. It is not yellow but actually a copper color and it is a fine point. I tried a few different colors on the inside thread. It took me about an hour. It was actually very therapeutic as it kept looking better as I went along. I am still amazed how good it looks. You could never tell unless you used a magnifying glass. There was no bleed onto the indigo fabric. Wow! And I was kidding too. You could even incorporate an orange or brown sharpie to give it more of that "copper" thread look too. Over the yellow no less. You can evolve the shirt and eventually go with dark blue or black and end up with tonal. An hour of sharpy work was enough for me. It is not as yellow as it looks in the pics. Yes a person could get white thread on all their shirts and design what you what you will. Rainbow colors!!
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Post by thomasss on Oct 7, 2015 1:46:15 GMT -6
do you think the color will be the same after washing?
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Post by Winterland on Oct 7, 2015 10:45:23 GMT -6
do you think the color will be the same after washing? I wouldn't think it would change a lot being it is permanent marker but it is possible it might get muted a bit. Will most likely be hand washing in cold water to minimize it. Will update when I do won't be for a while.
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Post by davelewis on Oct 7, 2015 11:58:13 GMT -6
Here are some pictures of my Lawless Montana Indigo/Indigo shirt with some wear on it. It is showing some nice wearing/fading of the dark indigo into a lighter blue. I have been wearing it about every other day for over 2 months. No washes 1 initial soak. I know some of you aren't into keeping and wearing your lawless items etc but I like my shirts and I'm going to wear them. The workers put some great work in to them so why not. Anyways my indigo indigo western shirt I ordered with white thread and I knew that was a bold move and now the white has started to bother me. Too much contrast. I love the shirt otherwise, great fabric and it fits me perfect. With a little thinking I was able to change the color of the thread. It came out better than I could ever have wanted it now looks like it was sewed up with copper thread. Here is a picture with it partially done. Feel free to guess how I did it. Same with me. I just feel fortunate that I received all my orders, which were shirts, and vest. The coloring of the thread you did looks closer to the topaz thread I elected to get on mine. When I wear it, it blows my mind I paid $60 bucks for it, and LD didn't even charge me shipping, LOL
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 7, 2015 15:43:02 GMT -6
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Post by wdw on Oct 7, 2015 15:48:36 GMT -6
Dirty_Denim, just curious - the stuff from the early days seems seems to have been good quality, then after December it started to deteriorate and eventually became a roulette spin as to fit, spec and quality. What went wrong? Sackings? Leavings? Pressure to get stuff out regardless of QC?
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 7, 2015 15:58:34 GMT -6
Dirty_Denim, just curious - the stuff from the early days seems seems to have been good quality, then after December it started to deteriorate and eventually became a roulette spin as to fit, spec and quality. What went wrong? Sackings? Leavings? Pressure to get stuff out regardless of QC? From what I know there were orders coming in from places like Huckberry. Those were placed ahead of lawless.com orders becase of contractual agreements. I am sure that and a lack of management being present didnt help
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Post by whiskeyriver on Oct 7, 2015 16:15:52 GMT -6
Yeah that looks nothing like a Gi. More like a denim-colored cardigan, as you said.
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Oct 7, 2015 16:28:22 GMT -6
Yeah that looks nothing like a Gi. More like a denim-colored cardigan, as you said. I had it made based on this Kapital jacket. Its current state is nowhere near what it will become after it begins to age and fall apart. Linen loosens up after some years of wear so I will begin repairing it with sashiko sewing and boro patching . Thats when this jacket (noragi) will become a fun project.
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Post by mountainman3520 on Oct 8, 2015 17:08:10 GMT -6
Dirty_Denim, just curious - the stuff from the early days seems seems to have been good quality, then after December it started to deteriorate and eventually became a roulette spin as to fit, spec and quality. What went wrong? Sackings? Leavings? Pressure to get stuff out regardless of QC? From what I know there were orders coming in from places like Huckberry. Those were placed ahead of lawless.com orders becase of contractual agreements. I am sure that and a lack of management being present didnt help Lawless had a bad strategy for a small start-up with limited financing, if they ever planned to honestly succeed. They needed a bunch of interested customers and sales of products to stir up buzz, but like most small businesses they needed a lot of time and start-up cash to cover salaries, design work, equipment, etc. Lawless solution: give out all sorts of coupons and have large discounted sales on products already priced low enough that they would be losing money on each sale. This gets customers excited and they are willing to pre-pay months prior to product delivery because it seems like such a great deal. Produce a small trickle of real products and deliver to continue to build customer interest and to reduce worry as customers wait many months and experience delays. Herein lies the big problem with these online companies where customers send the money first and the product MAY arrive months later. In a normal business there is a limit to how much more a company can promise than it delivers because customers don't pay until the product is received, so the company must have already spent the money to create the product and the customer isn't at risk. In this case, the customer is trusting the company to honestly spend their pre-paid funds to build their product. But there is no requirement for the company to do so! Your money goes into company funds to pay whatever bills they have and you get a company backed promise to someday deliver the product, assuming they are not bankrupt prior to delivery. In the case of Lawless, I'm sure they were spending all the inflowing money as quickly as it arrived on salary and who knows what. When the bank account got low, they had another sale. Out of money again, post an online coupon. But all those products were promised to be delivered at below cost and the customer's money was gone long before the materials were purchased or designs completed, so there was no way for them to ever dig out. I doubt they really intended to. It had to be obvious from early on to anyone who saw the finances that they were spending the customers money without making progress toward delivering the product and that it couldn't continue for long.
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Post by davelewis on Oct 8, 2015 18:01:49 GMT -6
Pretty much.
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Post by beeranddenim on Oct 8, 2015 21:20:37 GMT -6
Did they ever fulfill the Huckberry deal? And did that deal tap out their fabric intended for our orders?
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Post by orion23 on Oct 10, 2015 19:24:50 GMT -6
Did they ever fulfill the Huckberry deal? And did that deal tap out their fabric intended for our orders? They did somewhat, but everything was sized wrong so it was sent back. LD never put sizes or tags on anything really. Except for the occasional shirt or Jacket. It was a mess and quite the nightmare! Idk for sure that the jeans sent back ever got resent.
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Post by beeranddenim on Oct 10, 2015 20:26:57 GMT -6
I actually stumbled on a post on another forum from a Huckberry customer who got the wrong size and was never sent out a new pair.
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Post by beeranddenim on Oct 10, 2015 20:29:50 GMT -6
Did they ever fulfill the Huckberry deal? And did that deal tap out their fabric intended for our orders? They did somewhat, but everything was sized wrong so it was sent back. LD never put sizes or tags on anything really. Except for the occasional shirt or Jacket. It was a mess and quite the nightmare! Idk for sure that the jeans sent back ever got resent. Didn't they only occasionally make a shirt or jacket
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