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Post by Dirty_Denim on Aug 5, 2015 8:52:32 GMT -6
New Lawless Denim LD&Co tag line: "As featured on Rawrdenim" This is hilarious |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 11:38:42 GMT -6
That's amazing. As if such a comment could possibly not be from somebody, ahem, very closely associated with the company. Although, I do agree with others that it's not really fair as that pair were clearly just a ludicrous mistake - rather than something expressly designed, produced and knowingly sold as a disasterpiece. Agreed i dont think they should have made that list as it was a mistake id rather have than to buy one of those other jeans. I do think they likely created that article as a chance to bash Lawless. There really was no other reason to create such a post if u ask me and got me to lose a lil respect for the person that wrote it and cleared it to be posted Isn't rawrdenim kind of pseudo objective about most things? I take anything I read there with a healthy dose of elitist salt. Certain brands can do no wrong and others can do nothing right. (not disagreeing with you guys, the jeans weren't a "released model" like everything else in the article, just wondering what everyone else's take on the site is....still the comments section is on point IMHO) |
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Post by jray on Aug 5, 2015 11:55:43 GMT -6
@stevekas - I like RAWR for the fade of the day pics as well as the new release info and commentary
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Post by davelewis on Aug 5, 2015 12:35:16 GMT -6
Oh and i feel Bethany is Laura as well who has since gone into hiding with Roman. They must have changed their names and had plastic surgery . If Laura is now Bethany, what do u think Roman changed his name to lol Bethany & Garfunkel Grimaldi Eugene (NOT INDIGO GENE) Gilligan Gandolf My vote is for Gilligan. Great minds think alike. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 12:50:41 GMT -6
@stevekas - I like RAWR for the fade of the day pics as well as the new release info and commentary True that, I do like the fade pics. Just wondering about objectivity. Kind of off topic though so meh...whatever. It's the internet right? |
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Post by bugula on Aug 5, 2015 12:51:27 GMT -6
Isn't rawrdenim kind of pseudo objective about most things? I take anything I read there with a healthy dose of elitist salt. Certain brands can do no wrong and others can do nothing right. the reason certain brands can do no wrong is they paid for placement. the bulk of their articles are sponsored. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 12:52:38 GMT -6
Isn't rawrdenim kind of pseudo objective about most things? I take anything I read there with a healthy dose of elitist salt. Certain brands can do no wrong and others can do nothing right. the reason certain brands can do no wrong is they paid for placement. the bulk of their articles are sponsored. That's kind of what I figured, but wasn't sure. |
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Post by bugula on Aug 5, 2015 12:57:22 GMT -6
the reason certain brands can do no wrong is they paid for placement. the bulk of their articles are sponsored. That's kind of what I figured, but wasn't sure. there's no journalistic integrity in blogville tonight. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 13:05:01 GMT -6
i like some of the content such as fade/evo pics and the more informative behind the scenes articles that discuss origin, production, methodologies, etc.
in terms of their preferences or pros/cons of particular brands...grains of salt.
if that article was posted specifically to bash lawless it was a pretty weak attempt considering how many failures could have been listed. the random flawed, inconsistent, mis-sized, mis-labelled, or missing orders are especially bad considering how few items were actually shipped. it would be really interesting to see the ordered vs completed vs completed as ordered numbers.
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Post by exophobe on Aug 5, 2015 13:34:55 GMT -6
i like some of the content such as fade/evo pics and the more informative behind the scenes articles that discuss origin, production, methodologies, etc. in terms of their preferences or pros/cons of particular brands...grains of salt. if that article was posted specifically to bash lawless it was a pretty weak attempt considering how many failures could have been listed. the random flawed, inconsist, mis-sized, mis-labelled, or missing orders are especially bad considering how few items were actually shipped. it would be really interesting to see the ordered vs completed vs completed as ordered numbers. Not to mention it's fully within their rights to write an article specifically about the failures of Lawless denim, and it's position in the inherent distrust companies like this have caused with the Kickstarter model. They don't have to post a picture without hardware to mount a pretty serious story about what this company has done. Or even to spin it as a cautionary tale for those looking to get into the business. Lawless doesn't belong in the story because their finished garments were put together in fits that are, for a lot of people, exceptional, and they really didn't fail due to design choices, but rather management decisions. They linked an article today about Four Star Denim, and I'm afraid to support them because they're using some of the kickstarter funding to buy equipment, but there's no discussion of skilled labor to run it, so I'm not confident they'll be able to pull it off, given that's the most important part. A skilled worker can sew a great pair of jeans with a lock-stitch machine (even though it'd be missing some of those things denim-heads like to see), but you can't put a person that can't sew in front of a vintage chainstitch machine and expect good results fast, if at all. These guys popped up a lot of flags that I didn't really even consider until this lawless (LD&Co, LD and CO, Roman Acevedo) debacle, but now I see someone ignoring the fundamentals of how Levi's can sell a pair of jeans for $40, and I get worried. |
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Post by julian on Aug 11, 2015 6:31:14 GMT -6
My friend's recently arrived order came nowhere near close to fitting him (he's put on some weight in the 10 months since ordering them) and so I'm now the owner of a second pair of Lawless jeans.
Have to say, this pair are as well made, good fitting and great looking as my first pair.
They are:
14 oz. Niphon Menpu Dark Grey Selvedge Men's Jeans, Fit: Straight Leg, Waist: 32, Inseam (inches): 34, Hardware: Gun Metal, Thread Color: Copper, Denim Tag: Geisha, Jeans Fly: Button Fly, Pocket Liner: Black & White Canvas, Chain-Stitch Hem: Single Chain-Stitch Hem
The only off-spec item are the pocket bags, which seem more of a thin blue stripe on white canvas and lighter in weight to my first pair's pocket bags - although they are actually very nice. I'd also say the cut must be Slim/Straight as this pair are virtually identical in fit to my first pair.
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Post by gusjin on Sept 6, 2015 14:44:54 GMT -6
Dirty_Denim I've just pulled out my Camel Checker and San Juan Blue shirts and I'm surprised at the feel of the wool It's much more dense, I guess is the word, than the vintage stuff I'm use to Any more info on it?
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Post by wisdom on Sept 7, 2015 2:16:34 GMT -6
We should really let this one die the death it deserves, but for those of you with any remaining interest, the website is down and appears to have been suspended due to non-payment. If Roman just manned up and at least released some sort of humble and honest statement he could salvage a bit of dignity.. respect hasn't been within reach for a while.
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Post by beeranddenim on Sept 8, 2015 13:32:52 GMT -6
Is that the only lawless shirt out there?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 13:45:28 GMT -6
Is that the only lawless shirt out there? no. Winterland has at least one i believe, there have been a few of the wool camel check shirts (one of which i received and sold), at least 3 of the mystery twill-bray fabric, and the postal h-bone shirt i received that arrived with snaps and buttons. the postal h-bone was sent back and i eventually received a replacement with all buttons. i finally tried it on for the first time this weekend and it has a really strange yoke that puffs up on the back. it looks like i'm a hunchback and is very odd. not sure if it would tame itself and settle over time after it breaks in...but it would look super goofy until it did. |
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Post by Griffin on Sept 8, 2015 14:18:55 GMT -6
I got my postal and have been trying to wear it a little everyday since I got it. Itsa good fit, a little small but really good. Man this Italy stuff is hard to fade!! I can see tiny winy babyfades that will probably just disapear with wash, and its starting to um....not stink...but like..its been in a damp room with no air or something hehe, lets see how long I can wear it until it smells bad.
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Post by ickes on Sept 8, 2015 14:19:16 GMT -6
Is that the only lawless shirt out there? I've got three Lawless workshirts. |
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Post by ickes on Sept 8, 2015 14:20:44 GMT -6
And I agree with @david on the strange puffy back yokes, my work shirts have the same issue.
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Post by oatwilly on Sept 8, 2015 15:24:06 GMT -6
Is that the only lawless shirt out there? I received one. Oregon style in the khaki colored denim. Nicely made shirt, but haven't formed an opinion of it yet as it was so overly starchy I couldn't get a bead on what the fit will turn out to be like. Soaked it first time this weekend, but haven't ironed it yet. Still very starchy. May take awhile to get a good feel of the actual fit. |
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Post by Winterland on Sept 8, 2015 18:10:28 GMT -6
Is that the only lawless shirt out there? no. Winterland has at least one i believe, there have been a few of the wool camel check shirts (one of which i received and sold), at least 3 of the mystery twill-bray fabric, and the postal h-bone shirt i received that arrived with snaps and buttons. the postal h-bone was sent back and i eventually received a replacement with all buttons. i finally tried it on for the first time this weekend and it has a really strange yoke that puffs up on the back. it looks like i'm a hunchback and is very odd. not sure if it would tame itself and settle over time after it breaks in...but it would look super goofy until it did. I have two Lawless Western shirts and I like them a lot. It's too bad as they made great shirts but we know the rest of the story. I'm still owed one western shirt also. Here is a link to them. Should be able to start wearing them soon even though having very warm end of summer in Minnesota. I won't complain though. My Kaihari also had puffy back shoulders until I wore it a lot and did a soak. It totally disappeared. 14oz Kaihara selvedgestyle.com/thread/264?page=258.5oz Chambray? selvedgestyle.com/thread/264?page=72 |
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Post by bigblack on Sept 8, 2015 22:27:14 GMT -6
I have a then montana shirt in the 15 oz brown weft. AMAZEBALLS!!
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Post by exophobe on Sept 8, 2015 23:35:11 GMT -6
I received one. Oregon style in the khaki colored denim. Nicely made shirt, but haven't formed an opinion of it yet as it was so overly starchy I couldn't get a bead on what the fit will turn out to be like. Soaked it first time this weekend, but haven't ironed it yet. Still very starchy. May take awhile to get a good feel of the actual fit. I have jeans in that denim, it's really cool even if I don't have much occasion to wear tan jeans without them getting too dirty. I'd be interested to see some pictures of how it came out in a shirt if you're willing to share (unless you already did), even though Gustin has given me plenty of practice conceptualizing. I think @untucked managed to get a trucker made out of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 23:36:39 GMT -6
No, lol.
I got a western made of tanXtan
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Post by exophobe on Sept 8, 2015 23:49:52 GMT -6
No, lol. I got a western made of tanXtan That's right. How's it holding up? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 0:27:12 GMT -6
Haven't worn it in months...
When I was wearing it regularly, it was great. I will try it on today and see if I still like the fit
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