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Post by gaseousclay on Oct 28, 2017 12:03:54 GMT -6
Toys McCoys vs Real McCoys
What's the difference?
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Post by gaseousclay on Oct 28, 2017 18:28:46 GMT -6
I'm also curious if there's any real difference in quality between the repro made in Japan brands like BR, Real McCoys & Sugar Cane?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 8:43:39 GMT -6
I know the differences between MFSC, SC and BR are small... They're all the same manufacturer, and share many of the same fabrics and designs. SC definitely has the "lowest level of QC" between the 3 of them.
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Post by gaseousclay on Oct 31, 2017 5:25:52 GMT -6
Does Toyo make The Real McCoys stuff too? And why do you think SC is at the bottom when it comes to QC?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 9:54:35 GMT -6
Just my experience with owning 3 jeans, 6-7 shirts and 3 vests and a jacket by SC. They're not "falling apart" or anything. But, compared to my few BR pieces, (and the countless other BR pieces I handled in shops and thrift shops alike), and the MF pieces I own, there is a blatantly obvious difference in construction and materials.
Now, I also get the feeling that SC does it on purpose, at least for some garments (Jeans, and denim jackets), in order to appear more period correct/authentic. The stitching lines aren't laser straight, and there will almost definitely be some loose threads. For me, I'm not bothered by it, but I also bought all of my SC stuff while living in Japan. Knowing what I know from shopping while in Japan, I wouldn't be willing to pay more than Japanese prices for most SC pieces though.
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Post by gaseousclay on Nov 1, 2017 10:06:04 GMT -6
Maybe brands like BR, TRM and MFSC cost more because they're using period correct machinery and fabrics and perhaps pay more per garment? Either way, I'm liking what i'm seeing from some of these repro brands. I mean, i'm not into repro stuff per se, I just like the styling of some of the deck jackets i've been looking at. I just need to narrow my choices and figure out what i'm willing to pay. The MFSC indigo Blouson de Quart is a beaut, but damn near 1000 ducats. Oof.
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Post by Jdub6 on Nov 1, 2017 19:05:14 GMT -6
Yeah tough decision for sure with all the great options hence why I haven't pulled the trigger on anything. Love the IH but always waiting on a deal. That MF indigo is off the chain.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 3:02:19 GMT -6
*I'm waxing my IHM-10... Should be done this weekend.
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Post by gaseousclay on Nov 2, 2017 5:36:44 GMT -6
*I'm waxing my IHM-10... Should be done this weekend. you're the king of ruining nice pieces Isn't waxing your ihm-10 kinda redundant since jungle cloth is supposed to be water repellent already?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 4:49:09 GMT -6
*I'm waxing my IHM-10... Should be done this weekend. you're the king of ruining nice pieces Isn't waxing your ihm-10 kinda redundant since jungle cloth is supposed to be water repellent already? Repellent, to a point, but I'm sure not as repellent as "WAXED jungle cloth", lol! (There are enough examples of vintage waxed deck jackets to support my thinking that waxing will be an improvement).
If England is known for anything, it's rain. Being that I don't own a proper "rain coat" (And have no interest in buying one, mind you), I just decided to make my IHM-10 a fully function dual purpose piece.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 4:53:27 GMT -6
It should be mentioned that if you search Etsy and eBay, there are LOTS of vintage deck jackets (In various states of use, and some deadstock as well) to be found, for fairly reasonable prices
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 4:54:55 GMT -6
That's awesome! I really like it (Aside from the leather trim).
Very similar to the denim N-1 IH will be releasing here soon.
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Post by outdoorsman on Nov 15, 2017 12:46:42 GMT -6
I own 3 deck jackets made by 3 different brands: Pike Brothers, Buzz Rickson and MASH Co. They are all great jackets and you can't go wrong with any of these brands or the above mentioned brands. My favorite is the Pike Brothers jacket for its good fit for my body type, but they are all great jackets. BR, RMC, ToysMC and MASH Co are japanese repro brands. They strive to make the most exact reproduction of original items by replicating fabric and cuts to original spec. Their jackets are meant to look, feel and age just like the real deal from the 40s. That's a big plus because most original deck jacket are either in bad shape (alpaca lining missing or jungle cloth ripped beyond repair) or ebay sellers want a ton of money for mint ones, especially in larger sizes. With repros you can get a brand new deck jacket for a reasonable price (well, maybe with the exception of RMC) and wear it until it look like an original piece that you just pulled out of someone's garrison crate. The only drawback of repro items, and this is somewhat personal preference and depends on body type, are the short & boxy fits. I'm on the tall side and slender so I had to size-up for shoulder width and sleeve length in the BR N1 to make it work for my long arms. Now the waist opening of the jacket is too wide for my torso. That's kind of a big disadvantage to me because I live in a colder climate and I prefer my jackets to fit snug around the waist so the cold doesn't creep in. To me, my PB jacket is superior in that it's longer in the sleeves and has a slight taper from the chest to the waist giving me a more "fitted" look and feel. Hope this helps.
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Post by outdoorsman on Nov 15, 2017 13:15:16 GMT -6
left to right: PB, BR, MASH Co
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Post by davelewis on Nov 16, 2017 11:27:33 GMT -6
I own 3 deck jackets made by 3 different brands: Pike Brothers, Buzz Rickson and MASH Co. They are all great jackets and you can't go wrong with any of these brands or the above mentioned brands. My favorite is the Pike Brothers jacket for its good fit for my body type, but they are all great jackets. BR, RMC, ToysMC and MASH Co are japanese repro brands. They strive to make the most exact reproduction of original items by replicating fabric and cuts to original spec. Their jackets are meant to look, feel and age just like the real deal from the 40s. That's a big plus because most original deck jacket are either in bad shape (alpaca lining missing or jungle cloth ripped beyond repair) or ebay sellers want a ton of money for mint ones, especially in larger sizes. With repros you can get a brand new deck jacket for a reasonable price (well, maybe with the exception of RMC) and wear it until it look like an original piece that you just pulled out of someone's garrison crate. The only drawback of repro items, and this is somewhat personal preference and depends on body type, are the short & boxy fits. I'm on the tall side and slender so I had to size-up for shoulder width and sleeve length in the BR N1 to make it work for my long arms. Now the waist opening of the jacket is too wide for my torso. That's kind of a big disadvantage to me because I live in a colder climate and I prefer my jackets to fit snug around the waist so the cold doesn't creep in. To me, my PB jacket is superior in that it's longer in the sleeves and has a slight taper from the chest to the waist giving me a more "fitted" look and feel. Hope this helps. I love my PBs, and for me also, the fit is spot on.
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Post by gaseousclay on Dec 8, 2017 11:56:53 GMT -6
I'm starting to consider getting a deck jacket as my main winter coat. I got a vintage navy peacoat in great condition, but I think I got a size too small. My movement is pretty restricted with my sleeves riding up to my elbows whenever I reach for anything and there are also many spots where cold air can seep in (sleeves and collar opening). The deck jackets have storm cuffs, a throat latch and usually a drawstring to keep insulated. Only thing that bothers me about them is the shorter length and that many of them lack an interior pocket. Any experiences on peacoats vs deck jackets? I guess there may have been a reason the navy switched to deck jackets. I don't own an N1 yet so can't give any advice. But, I think the shorter length of the N1 serves a practical function as it allows more freedom of movement. I believe IH's N1 has an interior pocket and you can get a free paracord drawstring if you buy from IHUK. I don't know about the other brands I mentioned in this thread. You kinda just have to check out each brand offering and make a checklist of the features you desire in an N1 and go from there. I kinda like this N1 from Pherrow's. It doesn't have storm cuffs but I like that it's alpaca lined and has the metal fasteners on the front.
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Post by outdoorsman on Dec 9, 2017 10:44:00 GMT -6
@furu +1 what gaseousclay said. Most work jackets are shorter length to allow for freedom of movement. Plus, back in the day people wore high-waisted pants that covered more of your waist and kidneys than modern low-rise fits. Additionally, those deck jackets were worn with deck pants in cold and wet climates, so the jacket didn't need to be too long (see pic I stole from Rakuten). They were also Alpaca lined and kept sailors warm and cozy.
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Post by DigDug on Dec 9, 2017 12:16:19 GMT -6
@furu +1 what gaseousclay said. Most work jackets are shorter length to allow for freedom of movement. Plus, back in the day people wore high-waisted pants that covered more of your waist and kidneys than modern low-rise fits. Additionally, those deck jackets were worn with deck pants in cold and wet climates, so the jacket didn't need to be too long (see pic I stole from Rakuten). They were also Alpaca lined and kept sailors warm and cozy. This is the combo I like when I'm out side moving snow (which seems like it'll be today Makes it easy to get in and out of the Truck, wind doesn't blow up your back, easy to sit at the coffee shop
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Post by davelewis on Dec 9, 2017 18:22:14 GMT -6
@furu +1 what gaseousclay said. Most work jackets are shorter length to allow for freedom of movement. Plus, back in the day people wore high-waisted pants that covered more of your waist and kidneys than modern low-rise fits. Additionally, those deck jackets were worn with deck pants in cold and wet climates, so the jacket didn't need to be too long (see pic I stole from Rakuten). They were also Alpaca lined and kept sailors warm and cozy. This is the combo I like when I'm out side moving snow (which seems like it'll be today Makes it easy to get in and out of the Truck, wind doesn't blow up your back, easy to sit at the coffee shop First time I went skiing as a kid, I needed something warm to wear, and my dad went up in the attic and pulled down his pair of original's from the 40s. They were a bit bulky for skiing in, but man, I never got cold in them.
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Post by gaseousclay on Dec 9, 2017 19:37:55 GMT -6
The pherrows one is nice, it looks like one of those proto N1 jackets. The random left hand chest pocket is odd, I think it would be better suited on the inside. After looking at my peacoat some more it's not actually as long as I thought it was, only reaches just below the crotch. Most N1s would only be around 3-4 inches shorter but the superior insulation would more than make up for it I think. After looking at all the options IH seems the best choice for me. I like the brown the most but that isn't available and I don't care for the gray, so that leaves khaki or black. I think the black ihm-14 is sold out at IHUK. but there might be other stores that carry it like SE or R&H. And to further enable you, IHUK just came out with their melton wool M65 in black and grey.
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Post by chrisdoth on Dec 11, 2017 9:45:34 GMT -6
If It helps I got the Pike Brothers N1 about two weeks ago, just in time for the recent cold spell and snow here in the UK and I'm very happy with it - And very glad I ordered it when I did.
I did wonder myself if I'd find it too short but its been fine - If you were going to be standing around doing nothing for long periods then I can see you might want something longer but for general wear its been great and I've had to be careful not to over layer in it as it is so warm.
I think the main difference with the Pike Brothers jacket is the sleeves are lined with the same wool as the body. This, along with the knit cuffs makes it very cosy - but it also does make the arms quite wide. Some also complained about the sleeves being too long - I prefer too long sleeves to too short and it seems fine to me.
I think the IH jacket has an inside pocket with a snap closure which I would've liked - the Pike Brothers just has an inside front entry pocket - but it is quite deep so can't see me losing anything.
I liked the more utilitarian look of the PB jacket, and the price too - But I'm sure the IH jacket is superbly engineered as well.
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Post by gaseousclay on Dec 11, 2017 17:46:53 GMT -6
I actually have been wanting a field jacket but I prefer the M51 and I've been eyeing the leather one from Pop's leather for a while now. A wool sleeve lining can get pretty sweaty and has a tendency to pull so the satin quilting is a nice functional alternative. The pike brothers one seems pretty nice, but I've seen many complaints about the wool being itchy. Not an issue in the body, but it could make the throat latch pretty uncomfortable. Anyway I lucked my way into a black IHM 14. Got the same size as all my other IH shirts so hopefully it will fit. The body looks pretty large but I'm guessing the wool/alpaca and additional interlining really add some bulk (I could do to gain some weight anyway). The intel i've read on ihm-14 fit is to go one down size. They're supposed to fit kinda big
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Post by ahmedmokhtar on Sept 25, 2020 12:26:04 GMT -6
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Post by taylor31 on Oct 30, 2024 6:07:58 GMT -6
nice look awesome jacket
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