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Post by DigDug on Feb 25, 2016 15:56:09 GMT -6
Been thinking about this for some time now and would like to get your thoughts.
It seems that ever since I started buying Nicer quality clothing (Shirts, Jeans, Boots,etc) people treat me a bit different. Now I'm not sure if it's Me or Them. Has my attitude changed or is it how different people I interact with perceive me? Some seem to give a little more respect others seem to have a bit more attitude. From Bank Tellers, to Machanics, CoWorkers, etc. Even my wife seems to Not Like it if I wear a denim shirt but likes it (me) more if I wear a Flannel. I've tested it and there does seem to be a correlation of how it dress to how people perceive me and how they treat me.
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Post by bentin on Feb 25, 2016 16:10:46 GMT -6
I think there's a higher likelihood that you'll be treated well if you look you make an effort.
As a blanket statement, I do not trust people with a tucked in shirt and no belt.
But judging people on their appearance is also dangerous. A family friend always looks near homeless on weekends shorts and a battered polo with flip flops, if you don't pay attention to the thirty some year old Patek Phillippe. He went to buy a car, was ignored by the sales staff and went to the other MB dealer, paid cash for a CL63 (could have been a 65) and drove it back to the first dealer and asked to speak to the manager about why no one would sell him one there.
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Post by DigDug on Feb 25, 2016 16:21:57 GMT -6
TShirts and Flip Flops - Suit and Tie. I see how someone may make a judgement and respond one way or another. But what about a guy in nice WorkWear (Red Wing Beckman's, Raw Denim jeans, Chambray and Deniem shirt). Let's say Guy in IH gear. What is the perception of that guy?
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Post by bentin on Feb 25, 2016 16:28:18 GMT -6
TShirts and Flip Flops - Suit and Tie. I see how someone may make a judgement and respond one way or another. But what about a guy in nice WorkWear (Red Wing Beckman's, Raw Denim jeans, Chambray and Deniem shirt). Let's say Guy in IH gear. What is the perception of that guy? IH head to toe? Goofy cult member, ignore.
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Post by brentkuz on Feb 25, 2016 17:17:39 GMT -6
Patek only has one L.
100% how you dress and over all grooming will lead people to make general assumptions. And those assumptions will vary person to person.
Suit and tie can mean important to some people and to others it can be a sign of a douche.
There is a lot more to do with it but social expectations matter etc.
I've done a ton of profiling training with CBP, TSA, home land security and fbi. Things are funny.
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Post by DigDug on Feb 25, 2016 17:30:49 GMT -6
But what does expensive/quality/styling Work Wear say about a person? Or how I'd a wearer of such perceived?
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Post by MiddleAge on Feb 25, 2016 17:39:53 GMT -6
99% of the populations think we look like a lumberjack or construction worker. They probably think our favorite store is Sears.
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Post by brentkuz on Feb 25, 2016 17:43:18 GMT -6
But what does expensive/quality/styling Work Wear say about a person? Or how I'd a wearer of such perceived? Nothing. It's workwear. 99% of the people that see you see workwear and dickies/carhart etc. No one can tell it's a 500$ iron heart jacket. It just looks like a mil surp jacket. I have had people notice fades before on jeans. Seems to be something people picks up on.
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Post by wdw on Feb 25, 2016 17:46:19 GMT -6
I think this is one of many, and it's possibly staged, but it's relevant to this topic
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 17:54:40 GMT -6
-I've been told "I can never tell if you're about to go to work, or do a photo shoot."
-At work (IT-ish environment, with outdoors dirty work too), I've been told by our customer "We always come get you instead of the other guys because you look like you're ready to do work..." (Other guys wear casual khakis and polo shirts)
-I wear my same wardrobe for daily life, work and nightlife... At a bar I was told about my clothes "I don't get it, but I like it".
There's generally a warm reception all around, because even if I'm wearing beach clothes, it's still quality items and well put together outfits. BUT, one thing I've noticed is people tend to be really nice when I wear a vest. Idk why, but it really seems people are drawn to them. At my favorite bar, the owner/lead bartender has given me the deal of "Every time you come here wearing a vest, your first drink is on me". Every Saturday, I wear a vest, we laugh and I accept my drink.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 18:01:46 GMT -6
But what does expensive/quality/styling Work Wear say about a person? Or how I'd a wearer of such perceived? Nothing. It's workwear. 99% of the people that see you see workwear and dickies/carhart etc. No one can tell it's a 500$ iron heart jacket. It just looks like a mil surp jacket. I have had people notice fades before on jeans. Seems to be something people picks up on. I have a VERY differing experience than you, apparently. People come to me all the time with things like "Those aren't *normal* jeans... Where did you get them? What brand are they?" or "I don't know squat about fashion, but that shirt is NICE!" (Hickory stripe western... People LOVE it).... MOST people here simply wear jeans, tshirts and sneakers, so I'm shocked that they could even notice or care.
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Post by brentkuz on Feb 25, 2016 18:07:25 GMT -6
East vs West?
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Post by MiddleAge on Feb 25, 2016 18:34:08 GMT -6
Nothing. It's workwear. 99% of the people that see you see workwear and dickies/carhart etc. No one can tell it's a 500$ iron heart jacket. It just looks like a mil surp jacket. I have had people notice fades before on jeans. Seems to be something people picks up on. I have a VERY differing experience than you, apparently. People come to me all the time with things like "Those aren't *normal* jeans... Where did you get them? What brand are they?" or "I don't know squat about fashion, but that shirt is NICE!" (Hickory stripe western... People LOVE it).... MOST people here simply wear jeans, tshirts and sneakers, so I'm shocked that they could even notice or care. Japan doesn't have Sears.... (seriously, Japanese has a much better sense on fashion than American by about x1000000000)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 18:43:07 GMT -6
I'm talking about my interactions with Americans...
And furthermore, I would say 99% of Japanese have TERRIBLE fashion. A little known fact is that Japanese dudes are (Generally speaking) shockingly cheap! So much so, to the point that they don't even date/have sex/marry/have kids for fear of having to share their money or take away money from their hobbies... SERIOUSLY.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 18:59:48 GMT -6
I have a VERY differing experience than you, apparently. People come to me all the time with things like "Those aren't *normal* jeans... Where did you get them? What brand are they?" or "I don't know squat about fashion, but that shirt is NICE!" (Hickory stripe western... People LOVE it).... MOST people here simply wear jeans, tshirts and sneakers, so I'm shocked that they could even notice or care. Japan doesn't have Sears.... (seriously, Japanese has a much better sense on fashion than American by about x1000000000) IDK. Going by what I see on Rakuten.
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Post by devastitis on Feb 25, 2016 19:07:17 GMT -6
I have a VERY differing experience than you, apparently. People come to me all the time with things like "Those aren't *normal* jeans... Where did you get them? What brand are they?" or "I don't know squat about fashion, but that shirt is NICE!" (Hickory stripe western... People LOVE it).... MOST people here simply wear jeans, tshirts and sneakers, so I'm shocked that they could even notice or care. Japan doesn't have Sears.... (seriously, Japanese has a much better sense on fashion than American by about x1000000000) subjective statement is subjective.
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Post by whiskeyriver on Feb 26, 2016 7:44:14 GMT -6
But judging people on their appearance is also dangerous. A family friend always looks near homeless on weekends shorts and a battered polo with flip flops, if you don't pay attention to the thirty some year old Patek Phillippe. He went to buy a car, was ignored by the sales staff and went to the other MB dealer, paid cash for a CL63 (could have been a 65) and drove it back to the first dealer and asked to speak to the manager about why no one would sell him one there. Quoted for truth. I used to work as a bank teller between undergrad and law school. This one man would come in and everyone thought he was homeless. For all the world, he looked like he was. He had 250+ million dollars spread between his checking, savings, CDs, IRAs, etc.
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Post by ickes on Feb 26, 2016 8:09:05 GMT -6
But judging people on their appearance is also dangerous. A family friend always looks near homeless on weekends shorts and a battered polo with flip flops, if you don't pay attention to the thirty some year old Patek Phillippe. He went to buy a car, was ignored by the sales staff and went to the other MB dealer, paid cash for a CL63 (could have been a 65) and drove it back to the first dealer and asked to speak to the manager about why no one would sell him one there. Quoted for truth. I used to work as a bank teller between undergrad and law school. This one man would come in and everyone thought he was homeless. For all the world, he looked like he was. He had 250+ million dollars spread between his checking, savings, CDs, IRAs, etc. Quoted twice for truth. I've worked in the construction industry all of my life (on the equipment maintenance end) and I know "the millionaire next door" all too well. The man who owned the first company I worked for wore shorts and a T shirt 99% of the time, shopped at Wal Mart for his clothes, didn't graduate 8th grade, drives his vehicles till they about 300,000 miles, and sold his company in 2005 for 51 million. He is "retired" now but still has sources of income. When I see the guy in the suit, with the car, and the watch, trying to keep up with the Jones's I immediately think it's just a flashy guy with a lot of debt. He may make a lot of money but he spends even more so he's not rich, he's no better than the single mom on minimum wage living paycheck to paycheck. The Millionaire next door is a good book btw on this topic. I recommend it.
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Post by brentkuz on Feb 26, 2016 8:27:40 GMT -6
There are also a lot of people that look homeless that actually are.
I've met a millionaire that lived on a double wide trailer. He was a mental case tho. Like batshit crazy.
My brother told me you can't take it with you so might as well do what you like or buy what you want as long as it doesn't put you in a hole or cause stress.
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Post by gaseousclay on Feb 26, 2016 8:35:10 GMT -6
TShirts and Flip Flops - Suit and Tie. I see how someone may make a judgement and respond one way or another. But what about a guy in nice WorkWear (Red Wing Beckman's, Raw Denim jeans, Chambray and Deniem shirt). Let's say Guy in IH gear. What is the perception of that guy? Go to the AAAC forum and check out the many anti-denim douchey remarks being made. On the surface I think I understand their disdain but at the same time I think they're just being willfully ignorant about denim culture and the craftsmanship that goes into production. These are the same guys that would sneer at the idea of anyone paying $300 for a quality made IH flannel but then turn around and buy AE seconds because of 'value.'
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Post by gaseousclay on Feb 26, 2016 8:43:37 GMT -6
I'm talking about my interactions with Americans... And furthermore, I would say 99% of Japanese have TERRIBLE fashion. A little known fact is that Japanese dudes are (Generally speaking) shockingly cheap! So much so, to the point that they don't even date/have sex/marry/have kids for fear of having to share their money or take away money from their hobbies... SERIOUSLY. Sadly, the latter part of your statement is true. I have a Japanese cousin who is single/unmarried with no kids and he does nothing but play pachinko. He does it because he thinks women are expensive. It's a sad, pathetic existence imo
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Post by stinky on Feb 26, 2016 8:53:47 GMT -6
Personally, I think it has much, much less to do with exactly what you wear, but rather if it looks like what you are wearing is a costume.
If you look like you belong in your clothes . . . that you are comfortable in them, you come off as authentic. If you look like you are trying to hard to project an image, i.e. you are wearing a costume, you come off as a clown, a fake, a phony. See also: the much-maligned hipster.
As an example, when you see someone like George W. Bush in a denim workshirt, he pulled it off. Ted Cruz, not so much. Both Texans, both east coast ivy league educated. And ironically, it's Bush who is the blue blood, yet he pulled it off.
(BTW, i am NOT in any way trying to bring politics into this, i've just seen way too many pix of Cruz at town halls in workwear on Gawker the last couple of months trying to be a "regular guy")
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Post by matt on Feb 26, 2016 8:58:52 GMT -6
To the original point here, I think partial credit goes to the "newness" of our gear. Think about it, we all get a lot of compliments with the new gear we debut (boots, fresh dark denim, a crisp new workshirt or other button-down). There may be a little extra confidence be conveyed since it's "new clothes swagger", but but I do think newness counts. I get more compliments on my new darker denim from the less denim educated folks at work and compliments on the super faded pairs and more worn boots from those who appreciate the craft.
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Post by bentin on Feb 26, 2016 9:02:51 GMT -6
TShirts and Flip Flops - Suit and Tie. I see how someone may make a judgement and respond one way or another. But what about a guy in nice WorkWear (Red Wing Beckman's, Raw Denim jeans, Chambray and Deniem shirt). Let's say Guy in IH gear. What is the perception of that guy? Go to the AAAC forum and check out the many anti-denim douchey remarks being made. On the surface I think I understand their disdain but at the same time I think they're just being willfully ignorant about denim culture and the craftsmanship that goes into production. These are the same guys that would sneer at the idea of anyone paying $300 for a quality made IH flannel but then turn around and buy AE seconds because of 'value.' Hehe, like me? A $160 shirt for $300 or a $300 pair of shoes for $160? That is a funny situation.
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Post by brentkuz on Feb 26, 2016 9:11:44 GMT -6
Allen Edmonds is super high priced now. Few years back a brand new pair of strands cost me $209 on sale. Now that was higher than second prices last time I checked.
I don't really go on AAAC but what do you wear doing yard work? Or like shoveling snow? Gotta wear something in-between reading those fem lit papers.
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