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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 21:11:06 GMT -6
I've got some ideas for mine to customize it for me..... Should turn out pretty sweet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 21:14:43 GMT -6
"Organic" isn't enough. Is saying organic enough to make me want it, in spite of the price. Nope. Organic is as a buzz word.
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Post by wdw on Dec 21, 2015 21:17:48 GMT -6
If the material cost is high, surely widening the market to IHJP would increase production runs, reduce unit costs and hence drive up sales if that reduction is reflected in the price?
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Post by Old26 on Dec 21, 2015 21:39:59 GMT -6
If the material cost is high, surely widening the market to IHJP would increase production runs, reduce unit costs and hence drive up sales if that reduction is reflected in the price? Makers of gear love to talk about "rare", "expensive", "special" materials. We all get it. Sometimes it's even true. But you also have to look at things made by (and I'll use IH as this is the subject at hand) IH that are not rare or otherwise justifying the prices. And they're not alone. So, you either buy into their brand or you don't. I have with some, and others not. I don't even have a choice with IH so I don't read about them or spend much time looking at their pics.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 21:41:59 GMT -6
not feeling the olive color either got the light indigo western chambray which I love..the charcoal color sounds better for this price giles must of bumped his head pretty hard thinking this gouging is exceptable. will sell like 20 that be it.. herringbone fabric is overrated at this price point. everyone trying to be a billionaire There aren't personal attacks in this post? weird. I guess I'm just too sensitive. yeah, there is the one that you link saying that he's bumped his head. i actually read it as more tongue in cheek as a scathing attack on his character. also a single comment isn't really enough to warrant: "What is not fine (by me), is that I went out of my way to explain Iron Heart and the way we work in an open, transparent and honest manner on their forum and I may as well have chewed my own testicles off, for all the good it seems to have done....." ...as that would seem to indicate a barrage of negative feedback on him and the brand he represents. i don't frequent the IH board, but don't see anything in this thread and can't really imagine that board overrun with comments that would justify that sort of overreaction. then again...i could be too sensitive about his reaction to the board's reaction .
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Post by Old26 on Dec 21, 2015 21:47:10 GMT -6
Well, I guess they've failed to see that one post vs the scores of others of IH products being bought and worn by members here. If they're looking for 100% love, then it's the wrong forum - the wrong business to be in. Jeepers. The more I think about this the more annoyed I get...
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Post by DigDug on Dec 21, 2015 21:47:25 GMT -6
I'm lost
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 21:59:03 GMT -6
I think it's MORE REASONABLE than the people who pay $260 for the 10oz chambray westerns/workshirts that are in CONSTANT production... ESPECIALLY when it's KNOWN that there is a 100% mark-up on them at IHUK compared to the IHJP price.
At least with this shirt, there is a level of exclusivity at this point in time, and let's admit it..... We are buying this expensive-ass clothes for the exclusivity and "swagger" anyway (To an extent).
Do I think this shirt is worth $65 more than a slightly heavier blue or black chambray that is readily available all year 'round? Absolutely.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 22:02:31 GMT -6
If the material cost is high, surely widening the market to IHJP would increase production runs, reduce unit costs and hence drive up sales if that reduction is reflected in the price? Makers of gear love to talk about "rare", "expensive", "special" materials. We all get it. Sometimes it's even true. But you also have to look at things made by (and I'll use IH as this is the subject at hand) IH that are not rare or otherwise justifying the prices. And they're not alone. So, you either buy into their brand or you don't. I have with some, and others not. I don't even have a choice with IH so I don't read about them or spend much time looking at their pics. It's all relative. I've bought in to the brand because of my location. People who DON'T have access to order from Rakuten though, I don't see how they do it. I get all of my standard IH pieces from IHJP, so an occasional splurge from Giles doesn't burn so bad.
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Post by ickes on Dec 21, 2015 22:26:29 GMT -6
Makers of gear love to talk about "rare", "expensive", "special" materials. We all get it. Sometimes it's even true. But you also have to look at things made by (and I'll use IH as this is the subject at hand) IH that are not rare or otherwise justifying the prices. And they're not alone. So, you either buy into their brand or you don't. I have with some, and others not. I don't even have a choice with IH so I don't read about them or spend much time looking at their pics. It's all relative. I've bought in to the brand because of my location. People who DON'T have access to order from Rakuten though, I don't see how they do it. I get all of my standard IH pieces from IHJP, so an occasional splurge from Giles doesn't burn so bad. That's the strategy I use as well. Most of my IH pieces are purchased from Japan with the occasional splurge purchase from IHUK here and there on the must have items. Although I will say that there is value in utilizing IHUK's customer service for certain pieces when measurements can be vital for the desired fit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 22:29:59 GMT -6
And value in service when Giles knows you really want an items, and sends you a PM saying he removed one from the offered inventory and sets it aside for YOU...
THAT was shocking
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Post by giles on Dec 22, 2015 0:24:35 GMT -6
If the material cost is high, surely widening the market to IHJP would increase production runs, reduce unit costs and hence drive up sales if that reduction is reflected in the price? No it wouldn't. This stuff is made in a tiny little house factory by a husband and wife team, they couldn't substantially increase production even if we asked. Putting more shirts through the shirt factory (another house factory, but a little bigger) makes no difference to cost either, we've maxed them out too....If we could produce and sell this thing for less, I assure you we would.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 0:38:27 GMT -6
giles so there is not a big Iron Heart factory sew-shop? Just people in house factories with phenomenal sewing skills, or is that only true for certain items?
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Post by ickes on Dec 22, 2015 0:45:34 GMT -6
giles so there is not a big Iron Heart factory sew-shop? Just people in house factories with phenomenal sewing skills, or is that only true for certain items? I don't want to speak for giles here but I believe he is referring to where the fabric is made not where the items are sewn up. I would imagine that they have a much larger scale sewing facility as the seem to constantly crank out items between new drops and restocks. I'm sure giles will correct me if I'm wrong though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 0:49:42 GMT -6
Referring to this part of his post:
"Putting more shirts through the shirt factory (another house factory, but a little bigger) makes no difference to cost either, we've maxed them out too...."
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Post by ickes on Dec 22, 2015 0:51:03 GMT -6
Referring to this part of his post: "Putting more shirts through the shirt factory (another house factory, but a little bigger) makes no difference to cost either, we've maxed them out too...." Ah...gotcha. My bad.
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Post by giles on Dec 22, 2015 1:09:04 GMT -6
Apart from the technical gear (Gortex, Primaloft, Pertex) none of our garments are made in large facilities. The largest will be the heavyweight jeans line because we need 13 separate machines to make a pair of jeans. I have not visited all the places we weave and construct our stuff, but I continue to be amazed at how tiny the places are. We tried to expand the shirt making production capability recently, it was a disaster we lost a load of money and the quality was just not up to snuff, there simply was no way to fix the issues (I have the utmost confidence that Haraki would have done it if he could), so we shut it down and walked away with our tails between our legs....
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Post by benjaminpersitz on Dec 22, 2015 1:18:15 GMT -6
giles do you mind if I ask when you guys plan on releasing more loopwheeled tees? Also, Any chance you guys will make the 633 cut more widely available than Self Edge?
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Post by giles on Dec 22, 2015 1:47:02 GMT -6
We regularly release new versions of printed loopwheeled Tee's. We are also working on a new shape crew neck that will have smaller arms than the existing crew neck.
Regarding the 633. No that is a Self Edge exclusive. Kiya came up with the concept and asked for exclusivity, we gave it to him. Do I wish I'd thought of it? Yes, but it was not my idea....
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Post by Jdub6 on Dec 22, 2015 18:17:06 GMT -6
Apart from the technical gear (Gortex, Primaloft, Pertex) none of our garments are made in large facilities. The largest will be the heavyweight jeans line because we need 13 separate machines to make a pair of jeans. I have not visited all the places we weave and construct our stuff, but I continue to be amazed at how tiny the places are. We tried to expand the shirt making production capability recently, it was a disaster we lost a load of money and the quality was just not up to snuff, there simply was no way to fix the issues (I have the utmost confidence that Haraki would have done it if he could), so we shut it down and walked away with our tails between our legs.... Extremely surprised by this. Gotta say, all my IH shirts and jeans appear to be sewn up by laser guided ninjas from the same school regardless.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 18:30:54 GMT -6
I was surprised too, lol. Surprised, but not shocked. Over the past 3 years living in Japan, seeing their work ethic and attention to detail is amazing to say the least. Whether they are part of a team, or working as an individual it doesn't seem to matter...
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Post by wabisabi on Dec 24, 2015 16:25:33 GMT -6
ill be sure to adjust my opinion in a more positive mannerism no worries.
not my intentions to hurl insults take my words lightly.
really would like to take a closer look @ the herringbone fabric as well.
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Post by giles on Dec 25, 2015 2:43:10 GMT -6
My final comment on this topic.
This shirt was not my idea, it was suggested by a customer, once the idea was mooted, others said they would be interested too. I spoke to Haraki about it, he said he did not want to do it as it would be ridiculously expensive. I asked how much, his response "probably more than UHF's". I relayed this back to the people who were interested, they remained enthusiastic. This was not a case of Haraki and me sitting in a darkened room smoking a large spliff and working out how we could screw the masses.
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Post by ickes on Dec 25, 2015 9:58:53 GMT -6
This was not a case of Haraki and me sitting in a darkened room smoking a large spliff and working out how we could screw the masses. Can we at least pretend that was the case though? I like the image of that in my head
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Post by scooter on Dec 25, 2015 11:04:45 GMT -6
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