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Post by Mattbert on Mar 12, 2015 21:26:21 GMT -6
i dig the color of them (but they're not that unique...N&F, RgT and others have done similar releases) but they come out a bit lighter in weight than I expected and have a strange hand feel to them. Maybe I've just grown too accustomed to my heavier weights over the past few months.  FWIW, that hand feel will change right quick if you wear them regularly. Two weeks or so and that starchy crispness is pretty well gone. They get soft, but not supple. If that makes any sense. Actually, I guess I should be asking you what you thought was strange about the hand feel, rather than pontificating like a dickhead about what I think of it. On the issue of weight, though...dude, they're 10.5-oz or something, right? What were you expecting, Iron Hearts? |
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Post by curieux88 on Mar 12, 2015 21:44:22 GMT -6
 would you return these, or am I just being too picky? I just got my N IxP, and one leg is evenly bigger than the other - the difference is roughly 0.5in(flat) through out the leg. It seems like they used different template or something. |
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Post by variable on Mar 12, 2015 21:56:33 GMT -6
would you return these, or am I just being too picky? I just got my N IxP, and one leg is evenly bigger than the other - the difference is roughly 0.5in(flat) through out the leg. It seems like they used different template or something. If you think you'll hem them later, it might not be worth sending back. |
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Post by DigDug on Mar 12, 2015 22:00:32 GMT -6
would you return these, or am I just being too picky? I just got my N IxP, and one leg is evenly bigger than the other - the difference is roughly 0.5in(flat) through out the leg. It seems like they used different template or something. I think its a common problem. I send my Gustins and other denims to Railcar Fine Goods to be hemmed. Most every time they come back there is a note explaining that the cut off (they send the extra denim cut off from each leg back) are different sizes and that it is a common accurence with most jean makers that the lengths are different sizes. It sucks if your not planning to have them hemmed (or may be just have one leg done |
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Post by curieux88 on Mar 12, 2015 22:17:28 GMT -6
would you return these, or am I just being too picky? I just got my N IxP, and one leg is evenly bigger than the other - the difference is roughly 0.5in(flat) through out the leg. It seems like they used different template or something. I think its a common problem. I send my Gustins and other denims to Railcar Fine Goods to be hemmed. Most every time they come back there is a note explaining that the cut off (they send the extra denim cut off from each leg back) are different sizes and that it is a common accurence with most jean makers that the lengths are different sizes. It sucks if your not planning to have them hemmed (or may be just have one leg done oh, the lengths are fine, i think. I'm talking about the circumference. One leg is wider than the other by an inch. It's probably not worth to send it to somewhere to get one leg reworked. |
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Post by DigDug on Mar 12, 2015 22:40:08 GMT -6
I think its a common problem. I send my Gustins and other denims to Railcar Fine Goods to be hemmed. Most every time they come back there is a note explaining that the cut off (they send the extra denim cut off from each leg back) are different sizes and that it is a common accurence with most jean makers that the lengths are different sizes. It sucks if your not planning to have them hemmed (or may be just have one leg done oh, the lengths are fine, i think. I'm talking about the circumference. One leg is wider than the other by an inch. It's probably not worth to send it to somewhere to get one leg reworked. As the children say, "my bad". That would bother me. I guess that's why I don't measure. Ignorance is bliss. |
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Post by curieux88 on Mar 12, 2015 22:48:37 GMT -6
oh, the lengths are fine, i think. I'm talking about the circumference. One leg is wider than the other by an inch. It's probably not worth to send it to somewhere to get one leg reworked. As the children say, "my bad". That would bother me. I guess that's why I don't measure. Ignorance is bliss. yeah, i normally don't measure, but I definitely felt the difference when I wore them. :/ |
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Post by DigDug on Mar 12, 2015 22:55:18 GMT -6
As the children say, "my bad". That would bother me. I guess that's why I don't measure. Ignorance is bliss. yeah, i normally don't measure, but I definitely felt the difference when I wore them. :/ Then for sure I'd email Gustin. They'll work with you. Just explain that you feel a difference. One option is ask Gustin for some refund/credit, then send this pair out to be custom tapared (think railcar does it for $40). |
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Post by wisdom on Mar 13, 2015 0:19:11 GMT -6
As the children say, "my bad". That would bother me. I guess that's why I don't measure. Ignorance is bliss. yeah, i normally don't measure, but I definitely felt the difference when I wore them. :/ That would bug the crap out of me and this is an issue G needs to know about so it can be communicated back to the sew shop. G doesn't intend to send stuff like this out and this is definitely not something they would find acceptable. This isn't a design or taste issue.. it's a quality issue. |
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Post by julian on Mar 13, 2015 0:35:31 GMT -6
oh, the lengths are fine, i think. I'm talking about the circumference. One leg is wider than the other by an inch. It's probably not worth to send it to somewhere to get one leg reworked. One inch wider through one leg is unacceptable. Not only because you'll never truly enjoy that pair of jeans yourself, but because at that level of discrepancy the jeans aren't going to look right when worn. 0.5", maybe. 1", no. |
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Post by jamesr on Mar 13, 2015 5:51:32 GMT -6
I had a pair of Gustins with the same problem (mine were around 1/2" out). Bugged the hell out of me. Some people will say, "who cares?" but it was noticeable when I was wearing them. I remember asking my wife what she thought and her response was, "One leg looks different than the other."
That should be an instant return (or refund).
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Post by ickes on Mar 13, 2015 11:12:12 GMT -6
I got mine today too and I'm not sure how I feel about them myself. FourHorsemen I'll send u measurements tonight Cool man, thanks! Mine are coming in tomorrow, I'll take measurements and PM you. What is it you are not sure about? Are they a let down? I was really bummed I missed out on them the first campaign after reading and seeing Mattberts review, and have built up (probably) too much expectation for them. ?? (edited because I rambled on like someone who rambles on a lot, which I do ...a lot. Like I'm doing now. And now.) Hey man, yeah they are a bit of a let down.... I don't know....they aren't super ugly or anything but they look almost purple to me as someone else mentioned and the Indigo is darker than what I anticipated. I PM'd you the measurements and I checked measurements again today and one leg is longer than the other by an inch and one cuff is 1/4'' wider than the other. I don't know if you'd want that or not so PM when you get a chance. |
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Post by ickes on Mar 13, 2015 11:16:05 GMT -6
What's the process for returning an item to Gustin and getting a refund back on your card? Is that a fairly successful method or does G give you a hard time with that. I would like to possibly return my IndigoxPersimmons if FourHorsemen doesn't want mine and get the charges put back on my card so I can cop me some Oni's.
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Post by benjaminpersitz on Mar 13, 2015 11:21:38 GMT -6
I would just request it. "There is nothing I want right now, and you guys messed this order up. These are way out of spec." If they deny, CC charge back or accept the credit.
I was offered a refund a couple weeks ago in my J17'S. I declined, because I want the damn jeans. Still not shipped. Maybe I should've taken the refund, haha.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 11:26:17 GMT -6
What's the process for returning an item to Gustin and getting a refund back on your card? Is that a fairly successful method or does G give you a hard time with that. I would like to possibly return my IndigoxPersimmons if FourHorsemen doesn't want mine and get the charges put back on my card so I can cop me some Oni's. i returned my postal h.bone workshirt for a refund with no problem. i just said it was too long and there was nothing in the stock store i wanted...preferring a refund. ren ok'd it right away. they obviously didn't reimburse me for shipping it back to them...and i don't remember if they refunded me for the original shipping (but i doubt it) |
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Post by Mattbert on Mar 13, 2015 11:35:30 GMT -6
ickes Cool man, thanks! Mine are coming in tomorrow, I'll take measurements and PM you. What is it you are not sure about? Are they a let down? I was really bummed I missed out on them the first campaign after reading and seeing Mattberts review, and have built up (probably) too much expectation for them. ?? (edited because I rambled on like someone who rambles on a lot, which I do ...a lot. Like I'm doing now. And now.) Hey man, yeah they are a bit of a let down.... I don't know....they aren't super ugly or anything but they look almost purple to me as someone else mentioned and the Indigo is darker than what I anticipated. I PM'd you the measurements and I checked measurements again today and one leg is longer than the other by an inch and one cuff is 1/4'' wider than the other. I don't know if you'd want that or not so PM when you get a chance. This sucks. Here I've been telling everyone how awesome the NIxP denim is *and* how Gustin has been pretty tight on their jeans QA/QC for me lately, and then several brahs who've gotten the NIxP are like, "Meh." and/or have a pair with significant errors. I feel like I sold ya'll a bill of goods. Bummed. ickes, here are a couple imgur albums of my NIxP jeans. Are yours more purple than this? NIxP - Brand NewNIxP - Wear In Update #1 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 11:36:47 GMT -6
I would just request it. "There is nothing I want right now, and you guys messed this order up. These are way out of spec." If they deny, CC charge back or accept the credit. I was offered a refund a couple weeks ago in my J17'S. I declined, because I want the damn jeans. Still not shipped. Maybe I should've taken the refund, haha. Um, how bout leaving out the part that they messed the order up and they are way out of spec. I'd say, they don't fit me anymore, and would like a refund, which is true. |
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Post by benjaminpersitz on Mar 13, 2015 11:52:22 GMT -6
I would just request it. "There is nothing I want right now, and you guys messed this order up. These are way out of spec." If they deny, CC charge back or accept the credit. I was offered a refund a couple weeks ago in my J17'S. I declined, because I want the damn jeans. Still not shipped. Maybe I should've taken the refund, haha. Um, how bout leaving out the part that they messed the order up and they are way out of spec. I'd say, they don't fit me anymore, and would like a refund, which is true. I don't get what is so inappropriate about calling them on an error. An inch variance between legs is a lot. A company needs to know when they're product isn't living up to expectations. It is much more appropriate to say I'd like a refund because these aren't produced correctly. I'd take an exchange but you have none to give me. Why should G feel obligated to give a refund if they don't fit? If they come in to spec and they don't fit how you want, that isn't their fault. Take a credit and move on. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 14:45:05 GMT -6
Um, how bout leaving out the part that they messed the order up and they are way out of spec. I'd say, they don't fit me anymore, and would like a refund, which is true. I don't get what is so inappropriate about calling them on an error. An inch variance between legs is a lot. A company needs to know when they're product isn't living up to expectations. It is much more appropriate to say I'd like a refund because these aren't produced correctly. I'd take an exchange but you have none to give me. Why should G feel obligated to give a refund if they don't fit? If they come in to spec and they don't fit how you want, that isn't their fault. Take a credit and move on. My bad, read the wrong reply. |
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Post by ickes on Mar 13, 2015 15:20:05 GMT -6
Hey man, yeah they are a bit of a let down.... I don't know....they aren't super ugly or anything but they look almost purple to me as someone else mentioned and the Indigo is darker than what I anticipated. I PM'd you the measurements and I checked measurements again today and one leg is longer than the other by an inch and one cuff is 1/4'' wider than the other. I don't know if you'd want that or not so PM when you get a chance. This sucks. Here I've been telling everyone how awesome the NIxP denim is *and* how Gustin has been pretty tight on their jeans QA/QC for me lately, and then several brahs who've gotten the NIxP are like, "Meh." and/or have a pair with significant errors. I feel like I sold ya'll a bill of goods. Bummed. ickes, here are a couple imgur albums of my NIxP jeans. Are yours more purple than this? NIxP - Brand NewNIxP - Wear In Update #1Ah, no worries Mattbert. Different strokes you know? Plus, like I said it's not like I hate them (like my Charcoal and Brown Organic Hemps...ugghh those were ugly imo) it's just I don't think I'm in love with them either. I don't know. Your pics are about how mine look, well the pics where they have a darker indigo coloring to them anyways. There's a few of your pics where they have a bright, lighter, indigo look to them due to the lighting and mine do not look like that. At least inside my house under artificial lighting they don't look like that. You don't think they have a purpleish hue going on at all? Maybe it's just a mental thing for me cause I was subconsciously looking for it after I heard someone else mention it. |
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Post by FourHorsemen on Mar 13, 2015 17:25:57 GMT -6
ickes Cool man, thanks! Mine are coming in tomorrow, I'll take measurements and PM you. What is it you are not sure about? Are they a let down? I was really bummed I missed out on them the first campaign after reading and seeing Mattberts review, and have built up (probably) too much expectation for them. ?? (edited because I rambled on like someone who rambles on a lot, which I do ...a lot. Like I'm doing now. And now.) Hey man, yeah they are a bit of a let down.... I don't know....they aren't super ugly or anything but they look almost purple to me as someone else mentioned and the Indigo is darker than what I anticipated. I PM'd you the measurements and I checked measurements again today and one leg is longer than the other by an inch and one cuff is 1/4'' wider than the other. I don't know if you'd want that or not so PM when you get a chance. Hey dude .... just sent you a PM. |
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Post by FourHorsemen on Mar 13, 2015 19:48:07 GMT -6
Hey man, yeah they are a bit of a let down.... I don't know....they aren't super ugly or anything but they look almost purple to me as someone else mentioned and the Indigo is darker than what I anticipated. I PM'd you the measurements and I checked measurements again today and one leg is longer than the other by an inch and one cuff is 1/4'' wider than the other. I don't know if you'd want that or not so PM when you get a chance. This sucks. Here I've been telling everyone how awesome the NIxP denim is *and* how Gustin has been pretty tight on their jeans QA/QC for me lately, and then several brahs who've gotten the NIxP are like, "Meh." and/or have a pair with significant errors. I feel like I sold ya'll a bill of goods. Bummed. ickes, here are a couple imgur albums of my NIxP jeans. Are yours more purple than this? NIxP - Brand NewNIxP - Wear In Update #1 dude, I love the NIxP! Your review and pics were spot on. Ickes' 34 Slims came in too small in the waist, but my 33 Slims came in at 33.5" (Ickes' 34's came in at 33"). So, our trade doesn't make sense to do, since the waist on mine is bigger (which I need) yet the thighs are on spec, and would be tight on Ickes' massive tree truck legs  . So, I'm keeping mine and he's keeping or returning his. I just wore them out for a trip to the store, literally 45 minutes, and already got 1" stretch out of the waist. I could hardly breathe when I left, but was fine when I got home. I normally would do a stretch like this at home, but I was heading out anyways, and was determined to make these beauties work! Success. They looked kickass with my Royal Purple flannel, IMO. First time I wore either. More on the Royal Purple Flannel in a bit, funny stuff. |
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Post by Mattbert on Mar 13, 2015 21:36:54 GMT -6
This sucks. Here I've been telling everyone how awesome the NIxP denim is *and* how Gustin has been pretty tight on their jeans QA/QC for me lately, and then several brahs who've gotten the NIxP are like, "Meh." and/or have a pair with significant errors. I feel like I sold ya'll a bill of goods. Bummed. ickes, here are a couple imgur albums of my NIxP jeans. Are yours more purple than this? NIxP - Brand NewNIxP - Wear In Update #1Ah, no worries Mattbert. Different strokes you know? Plus, like I said it's not like I hate them (like my Charcoal and Brown Organic Hemps...ugghh those were ugly imo) it's just I don't think I'm in love with them either. I don't know. Your pics are about how mine look, well the pics where they have a darker indigo coloring to them anyways. There's a few of your pics where they have a bright, lighter, indigo look to them due to the lighting and mine do not look like that. At least inside my house under artificial lighting they don't look like that. You don't think they have a purpleish hue going on at all? Maybe it's just a mental thing for me cause I was subconsciously looking for it after I heard someone else mention it. Yep. They are definitely ... different. And I 100% agree that they have a purplish hue, especially indoors. I would have sworn I talked about that here, but I couldn't find anything along those lines in a quick search of my post history so maybe that was on the G Comm (RIP). Anyway, yeah. Outside, I feel like the indigo and kakishibu get more distinct from one another; I see a clearer distinction between the deep blue of the warp and the brownish orange of the weft. Inside, the two seem to get muddied a bit and combine to become more of a ruddy purple. This is actually one of the things I like most about them, how they change character depending on the light. It does grow less pronounced as they break in and you start to get some fading on 'em, but it's still kinda fun. That said, I can totally see how someone might be put off when opening the bag and out comes something that's not quite what was expected. Different strokes, for sure. I'm far more disappointed in the construction errors. I really thought G had gotten past that crap, with their jeans at least, but maybe I've just had unusually good luck lately. Sucks. |
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Post by FourHorsemen on Mar 13, 2015 21:44:48 GMT -6
NIxP - 33 Slim 1 minute old:   After 45 minutes of driving/shopping:  |
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Post by Mattbert on Mar 13, 2015 21:50:57 GMT -6
This sucks. Here I've been telling everyone how awesome the NIxP denim is *and* how Gustin has been pretty tight on their jeans QA/QC for me lately, and then several brahs who've gotten the NIxP are like, "Meh." and/or have a pair with significant errors. I feel like I sold ya'll a bill of goods. Bummed. ickes, here are a couple imgur albums of my NIxP jeans. Are yours more purple than this? NIxP - Brand NewNIxP - Wear In Update #1 dude, I love the NIxP! Your review and pics were spot on. Ickes' 34 Slims came in too small in the waist, but my 33 Slims came in at 33.5" (Ickes' 34's came in at 33"). So, our trade doesn't make sense to do, since the waist on mine is bigger (which I need) yet the thighs are on spec, and would be tight on Ickes' massive tree truck legs . So, I'm keeping mine and he's keeping or returning his. I just wore them out for a trip to the store, literally 45 minutes, and already got 1" stretch out of the waist. I could hardly breathe when I left, but was fine when I got home. I normally would do a stretch like this at home, but I was heading out anyways, and was determined to make these beauties work! Success. They looked kickass with my Royal Purple flannel, IMO. First time I wore either. More on the Royal Purple Flannel in a bit, funny stuff. Thanks, man. I'm so glad to hear that. Yeah, I'm not surprised yours stretched so easily. Mine only gave me about a quarter inch, but that's all I needed! The natty dye makes them a real bear to try to fade if that's your thing. But when they do finally start to give up some indigo from the warp threads, it's totally worth being patient. The hints of electric blue I've seen emerging are something else. |
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