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Post by gusjin on Nov 12, 2014 5:51:30 GMT -6
Might hammer some dress eyelets into the crotch for ventilation if things get a sweaty SKULL EYLETS IN THE CROTCH FTW! As such?
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Post by Griffin on Nov 12, 2014 6:52:14 GMT -6
Yes, and also for girls:
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Post by exophobe on Nov 12, 2014 8:38:44 GMT -6
more like this. but seriously, since I now fear someone at Lawless is out looking for skull buttons, Lawless does not need to offer this, it's totally a joke. well, mostly. sort of.
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Post by exophobe on Nov 12, 2014 8:40:42 GMT -6
only thing I worry about buying them is whether they'd fit through my button-gate era Gustin workshirt button-holes.
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Post by drstrange on Nov 13, 2014 5:41:05 GMT -6
ordered last week (with the 50% coupon):
# 1 x 12 oz. Cone Mills 1776 Men's Jean (Fit: Slim Straight, Waist: 37, Inseam (inches): 36, Hardware: Gun Metal, Thread Color: Khaki, Denim Tag: Katana 2, Jeans Fly: Button Fly, Pocket Liner: Pink houndstooth Canvas, Chain-Stitch Hem: Double Chain-Stitch Hem) # 1 x 13.5 oz. Candiani Mills Women's Jeans (Women Jeans Style: Slim Straight, Waist: 3, Inseam (inches): 31, Hardware: Brass, Thread Color: Egyptian Topez, Denim Tag: Koi, Jeans Fly: Zip Fly, Pocket Liner: Natural Canvas, Chain-Stitch Hem: Single Chain-Stitch Hem) # 1 x 18.5 oz. Kuroki Indigo Selvedge Men's Jeans (Fit: Slim Straight, Waist: 37, Inseam (Length): 36, Jeans Fly: Button Fly, Chain-Stitch Hem: Single Chain-Stitch Hem) # 1 x 11 oz. Cone Women's Stretch (Women Jeans Style: Slim Straight, Waist: 3, Inseam (inches): 31, Hardware: Brass, Thread Color: Copper, Denim Tag: LD& CO. , Jeans Fly: Zip Fly, Pocket Liner: Pink houndstooth Canvas, Chain-Stitch Hem: Single Chain-Stitch Hem)
hasn't overcome the awaiting fulfillment status yet, but then again as long as the stuff arrives before X-Mas would still be perfect ..
regarding fit, I'm not much worried about my own order, a little bit more about the fitting for my lady ....
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Post by Griffin on Nov 13, 2014 6:26:58 GMT -6
It is important to post pics of all fitting here. the higher the resolution the better. Multiple angels (back is not bad) is supported.
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Post by Mattbert on Nov 13, 2014 11:24:56 GMT -6
I too am looking forward to photos of this circus freak with the 3-inch waist.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 14:31:53 GMT -6
Has anyone who ordered in September or early October received their items or heard any progress? I am quite certain Lawless is busy busy. Can't check my status because of the new site and the accounts not migrating over.
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Post by matt on Nov 13, 2014 14:36:45 GMT -6
Has anyone who ordered in September or early October received their items or heard any progress? I am quite certain Lawless is busy busy. Can't check my status because of the new site and the accounts not migrating over. After speaking with Jim at LD (he's their operations guy), he showed me all the orders that are complete and what they're working on presently, and gave me some insight into the system they are implementing to enable real-time progress (for them) on each order. Incredibly efficient for a small business. As for the orders placed prior to the website transition, they have them all with customer files, they are systematically adding them into the new system. Keep in mind, average turnaround on custom denim is 6-8 weeks. They are wrapping the KS orders, then following with the next in queue.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 14:42:53 GMT -6
OK so from what you understand, the KS orders are not done yet?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 14:56:02 GMT -6
OK so from what you understand, the KS orders are not done yet? that's my understanding. I haven't received mine yet, but they've indicated to be on track for their 'ship in November' goal, other than any stragglers who haven't responded to order confirmation sheets yet.
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Nov 13, 2014 18:59:25 GMT -6
OK so from what you understand, the KS orders are not done yet? We are actually doing exceptionally well with getting orders out. I have been manning the info@lawless email and can see many peoples emails getting kicked back which means they gave us wrong info. We also have many people who have not responded to the emails. From what I last heard we are 30 orders away and that was over a week ago so it might have changed. We finish 30 to 40 orders a day so that's nothing. I can say this confidently that getting orders out is NOT an issue. We are working on a few things to even make that number better. Figure this, if we get 30 orders out a day and we have 1100 people ahead of you if you placed an order today, that would mean we would get you your item in roughly 37 days. Of course we have days where we get 40 out depending on the size of the orders so realistically we can do it in 31. We tell everyone 6 to 8 for any hold ups for whatever reason like needing more fabric which can add a few weeks sometimes. I promise you guys I am really seeing Lawless step up big. We will be implementing a few new things while I am in AZ that will give a bit of a boost to production so the plan is even better times. I have also figured out that when we change one of the items listed to just about being full custom, that will add time to your order. The reason why that slows it down is because now we need a pattern cut which is done by specific pattern people. Those same pattern cutters are busy cutting patterns that were already measured which is how they got the size charts. So when they have to create a new pattern that takes a lot of time to measure and cut & then cut into actual denim fabric pieces. This is by no means a bad thing but just an explanation on how the factory runs. I'll see this first hand next week but thats the gist of it. Dont forget many people have ordered more than 1 item with many having ordered 5 to 10 items. An order like that will naturally add time to that order and every order after it so 6 to 8 weeks
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Post by Marc on Nov 13, 2014 21:33:37 GMT -6
Looking for folks' help here... So, I've ordered the following from LD, but need some guidance settling on thread and buttons:
1 x 12 oz. Cone Mills Post Dyed Militray Drab Men's Shirt (Shirt Style: Arlington CPO, Fit: Slim, Size: Medium, Thread Color: Khaki, Button: White Metal Button, Cuff Closure: One)
1 x 12.5 oz. Kaihara Mills Indigo Men's Shirt (Shirt Style: Montana, Fit: Slim, Size: Medium, Thread Color: Copper, Button: Tigers Eye Button Snap, Snaps on Cuff: One)
1 x 7 oz. Camel Checker Pendleton Mills Wool Men's Shirt (Shirt Style: Arlington CPO, Fit: Slim, Size: Medium, Thread Color: Khaki, Button: White Button, Cuff Closure: One)
The Montana, I think I'm going to keep as is... seems pretty classic (this'll be my first western shirt). The Camel Checker, what do you think about dark blue thread and silver metal buttons? On the Cone Military Drab, I'm a bit lost. I thought the contrast of the khaki stitching might be nice (or should I stick with tonal?), but really don't know what buttons to choose?
Any thoughts?
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Post by exophobe on Nov 13, 2014 21:43:42 GMT -6
Looking for folks' help here... So, I've ordered the following from LD, but need some guidance settling on thread and buttons: 1 x 12 oz. Cone Mills Post Dyed Militray Drab Men's Shirt (Shirt Style: Arlington CPO, Fit: Slim, Size: Medium, Thread Color: Khaki, Button: White Metal Button, Cuff Closure: One) 1 x 12.5 oz. Kaihara Mills Indigo Men's Shirt (Shirt Style: Montana, Fit: Slim, Size: Medium, Thread Color: Copper, Button: Tigers Eye Button Snap, Snaps on Cuff: One) 1 x 7 oz. Camel Checker Pendleton Mills Wool Men's Shirt (Shirt Style: Arlington CPO, Fit: Slim, Size: Medium, Thread Color: Khaki, Button: White Button, Cuff Closure: One) The Montana, I think I'm going to keep as is... seems pretty classic (this'll be my first western shirt). The Camel Checker, what do you think about dark blue thread and silver metal buttons? On the Cone Military Drab, I'm a bit lost. I thought the contrast of the khaki stitching might be nice (or should I stick with tonal?), but really don't know what buttons to choose? Any thoughts? the Drab Arlington looks like a great idea similar to what I did with my chinos. As a matter of taste I'd probably go blue buttons and then regret not getting white (looks great on the recent green Taylor Stitch camping shirt). The tonal thread will offer it a much more timeless look, but could also make it look like any other shirt. I would consider the work-shirt style (omaha? the one with the gussets and run-off), though, so you can show off that selvedge. The copper with indigo isn't my kind of look, but if you like it, those look to be great choices, I like the tigers eye buttons. I was never able to pull the trigger on the camel pendleton, kept vacillating between what you've done, and what you want to do. I think that's a good choice with the khaki thread, since I think it might be an optical illusion with all the visible thread and the checker pattern. If the blue buttons Roman used on the green shirt sample are available, I'd go with those, though.
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Post by ickes on Nov 13, 2014 21:57:48 GMT -6
Marc, -for the drab shirt I would either go with black threads and black snaps, tonal threads with blacks snaps, or tonal threads with white snaps.
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Post by Derek G on Nov 13, 2014 23:39:27 GMT -6
Marc , I did the pendleton camel too, but in the Omaha...I requested the blue thread, and went with the white metal buttons... I think that this fabric sewn in blue will be sweet. would have gone blue on the buttons, but didn't think it was an option. just my 2 cents
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Post by Marc on Nov 13, 2014 23:48:26 GMT -6
Marc, -for the drab shirt I would either go with black threads and black snaps, tonal threads with blacks snaps, or tonal threads with white snaps. Thanks, Ickes and exophobe. I'm definitely now leaning toward tonal stitching and white snaps on the Drab. That seems like it would work very nicely.
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Post by ickes on Nov 14, 2014 0:19:38 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 3:24:18 GMT -6
Might hammer some dress eyelets into the crotch for ventilation if things get a sweaty SKULL EYLETS IN THE CROTCH FTW! Skull and cross boner, lol
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Post by drstrange on Nov 14, 2014 4:47:52 GMT -6
OK so from what you understand, the KS orders are not done yet? We are actually doing exceptionally well with getting orders out. I have been manning the info@lawless email and can see many peoples emails getting kicked back which means they gave us wrong info. We also have many people who have not responded to the emails. From what I last heard we are 30 orders away and that was over a week ago so it might have changed. We finish 30 to 40 orders a day so that's nothing. I can say this confidently that getting orders out is NOT an issue. We are working on a few things to even make that number better. Figure this, if we get 30 orders out a day and we have 1100 people ahead of you if you placed an order today, that would mean we would get you your item in roughly 37 days. Of course we have days where we get 40 out depending on the size of the orders so realistically we can do it in 31. We tell everyone 6 to 8 for any hold ups for whatever reason like needing more fabric which can add a few weeks sometimes. I promise you guys I am really seeing Lawless step up big. We will be implementing a few new things while I am in AZ that will give a bit of a boost to production so the plan is even better times. I have also figured out that when we change one of the items listed to just about being full custom, that will add time to your order. The reason why that slows it down is because now we need a pattern cut which is done by specific pattern people. Those same pattern cutters are busy cutting patterns that were already measured which is how they got the size charts. So when they have to create a new pattern that takes a lot of time to measure and cut & then cut into actual denim fabric pieces. This is by no means a bad thing but just an explanation on how the factory runs. I'll see this first hand next week but thats the gist of it. Dont forget many people have ordered more than 1 item with many having ordered 5 to 10 items. An order like that will naturally add time to that order and every order after it so 6 to 8 weeks just a thought: maybe would be helpful, if you could add something like "4 weeks to go for fulfillment" on your website ... however this would have to be generated automatically (otherwise you would have to hire 2 persons just doing that, which makes no sense), based on a, say weekly input (1500 orders open, 30 orders a day = 10 weeks to go) ... personally I prefer to wait and have my order done in high quality, rather than have it fast but with poor quality (as in hiring extra unexperienced workforce) - I just want to (roughly) know what I'm up to (timewise)
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Post by Dirty_Denim on Nov 14, 2014 8:36:39 GMT -6
We are actually doing exceptionally well with getting orders out. I have been manning the info@lawless email and can see many peoples emails getting kicked back which means they gave us wrong info. We also have many people who have not responded to the emails. From what I last heard we are 30 orders away and that was over a week ago so it might have changed. We finish 30 to 40 orders a day so that's nothing. I can say this confidently that getting orders out is NOT an issue. We are working on a few things to even make that number better. Figure this, if we get 30 orders out a day and we have 1100 people ahead of you if you placed an order today, that would mean we would get you your item in roughly 37 days. Of course we have days where we get 40 out depending on the size of the orders so realistically we can do it in 31. We tell everyone 6 to 8 for any hold ups for whatever reason like needing more fabric which can add a few weeks sometimes. I promise you guys I am really seeing Lawless step up big. We will be implementing a few new things while I am in AZ that will give a bit of a boost to production so the plan is even better times. I have also figured out that when we change one of the items listed to just about being full custom, that will add time to your order. The reason why that slows it down is because now we need a pattern cut which is done by specific pattern people. Those same pattern cutters are busy cutting patterns that were already measured which is how they got the size charts. So when they have to create a new pattern that takes a lot of time to measure and cut & then cut into actual denim fabric pieces. This is by no means a bad thing but just an explanation on how the factory runs. I'll see this first hand next week but thats the gist of it. Dont forget many people have ordered more than 1 item with many having ordered 5 to 10 items. An order like that will naturally add time to that order and every order after it so 6 to 8 weeks just a thought: maybe would be helpful, if you could add something like "4 weeks to go for fulfillment" on your website ... however this would have to be generated automatically (otherwise you would have to hire 2 persons just doing that, which makes no sense), based on a, say weekly input (1500 orders open, 30 orders a day = 10 weeks to go) ... personally I prefer to wait and have my order done in high quality, rather than have it fast but with poor quality (as in hiring extra unexperienced workforce) - I just want to (roughly) know what I'm up to (timewise) We are working on something cool for what you are asking. We plan on simply updating people via sending out communication via email and social media. I had this idea where we would be able to update you on ur Facebook if you have one or whatever other Social media you have, similar to what Dominos does with that Facebook update. Roman has an idea to possibly implement it. Either way there is something in the works. Roman has some other ideas as well that will be added to update people. I agree quality over arrival time is best but unfortunately most like to believe everything in the world around them runs perfectly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 8:45:20 GMT -6
Thanks for the explanation. I just checked and I have 2 different order numbers for the same order..emailed info@lawless to get confirmation/status..
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Post by drstrange on Nov 14, 2014 10:28:04 GMT -6
just a thought: maybe would be helpful, if you could add something like "4 weeks to go for fulfillment" on your website ... however this would have to be generated automatically (otherwise you would have to hire 2 persons just doing that, which makes no sense), based on a, say weekly input (1500 orders open, 30 orders a day = 10 weeks to go) ... personally I prefer to wait and have my order done in high quality, rather than have it fast but with poor quality (as in hiring extra unexperienced workforce) - I just want to (roughly) know what I'm up to (timewise) We are working on something cool for what you are asking. We plan on simply updating people via sending out communication via email and social media. I had this idea where we would be able to update you on ur Facebook if you have one or whatever other Social media you have, similar to what Dominos does with that Facebook update. Roman has an idea to possibly implement it. Either way there is something in the works. Roman has some other ideas as well that will be added to update people. I agree quality over arrival time is best but unfortunately most like to believe everything in the world around them runs perfectly. if everything in the world ran perfectly, I'd be out of income
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Post by exophobe on Nov 14, 2014 11:28:44 GMT -6
We are working on something cool for what you are asking. We plan on simply updating people via sending out communication via email and social media. I had this idea where we would be able to update you on ur Facebook if you have one or whatever other Social media you have, similar to what Dominos does with that Facebook update. Roman has an idea to possibly implement it. Either way there is something in the works. Roman has some other ideas as well that will be added to update people. I agree quality over arrival time is best but unfortunately most like to believe everything in the world around them runs perfectly. I have to say that I would much rather a simple email, or even a current status on the order details would be far preferable (and, in my mind, easier to implement) to social media updates. As facebook is getting more advertisement savvy, I try to keep that sort of information out of my feed. Something you said the other day made me think a milestone type update would be best. If I have custom measurements, I should know when they've been sent to the pattern-maker and locked down, otherwise Lawless ends up doing the work twice because you guys are way too nice and I decided I need the taper to be slightly less severe than I initially thought. If I'm able to just make changes willy-nilly, you may have already put the order in to the pattern-maker and now I end up pushing myself back to the end of the line and relaying my order two weeks or more because I was being finicky. As someone that does project management, I don't want you guys to get swallowed up in order creep.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 11:45:20 GMT -6
I don't see a need for anything overly complex. I don't even need specific 'production stage' statuses like pattern, cutting, sewing, qc...etc. I'd like an order confirmation via email, and then to see basic status stages in my account page (awaiting production, in production, awaiting shipping, shipped)...and then an email with tracking info once shipped.
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